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An observation from the Cayman Islands

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    An observation from the Cayman Islands

    Hello Valencia,

    I write to you as a native of the Cayman Islands, three small British Islands in the Caribbean. I have been made aware of your website through Valencian friends whom I have developed a great rapport with during my two-month stay here in Valencia. They have suggested that I make a contribution to this forum and I am glad to participate.

    Before I do so, I would like to express how truly blessed I feel to have the amazing opportunity to emerse myself in the beauty of this city - its culture, language and lifestyle of the Valencian people.

    The purpose of my trip to Spain was to be able to submerse myself in Spanish heritage, meanwhile improving my spoken Spanish. It was shortly after arriving that I noticed there was another language spoken here in Valencia, a native Valencian tongue. Soon thereafter, through speaking with friends here, I came to learn of the political rivalry that exists between Valencianos and Catalonians, and that they, the Catalonians, also have their own tongue and a separate heritage. More importantly, I became aware of a Valencian feeling of urgency to protect and retain their own identity.

    As I am a new-comer to Valencia, I will be reserved with my comments. However, I hope I may be able to begin to contribute to the solutions to the current conflict which exists, or at least strengthen what others may have said before.

    As a person who comes from an island/country which also shares similar struggles to protect its heritage, its native people, its own manner of speaking, meanwhile still maintaining an amicable relationship with its mother country, England (not to mention also maintaining respect for the customs of 100 different nationalities who live in Cayman - the results of mass immigration into Cayman in the last 30 years - a situation which has now been placed under control by a recently elected more "Pro-Caymanian" government), I fully support Valencia´s right to maintain its own identity. Although the Caymanian situation may be different in many respects, I believe that the struggle is the same: The preservation of a culture, its people and their way of life.

    However, I also believe the bigger picture is this. Valencianos and Catalonians are both Spanish. Yet they are different and unique. It is important that there is an acceptance of their difference in history, culture, and modern day political runnings. But more importantly, these differences must also be publicly acknowledged and respected. Yet in the same breath, as Valencianos and Catalonians are both Spanish, not just by nationality but also geographically connected, they must find a way to collaborate with one another for the greater benefit of Spain.

    I hope this has been of some help. I look forward to hearing of some of your comments.

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    que alguien traduzca al cristiano :P
    VIXCA VALENCIA Y ARRIBA ESPAÑA, UNIDAD INDIVISIBLE

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    Centenar de la Ploma
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    It's great that people from countries so far away visit us. I'm glad you came and talked to us.

    The problem you're talking is a bit more difficult, is not the rivality betwwen us and the catalonians, the big problems begins when they try to introduce their "culture" (false culture, they invent the history) with money and by the schools (thanks to politicians). We demostrate that Valencia has nothing to be relationed with Catalonia (in important things about this ), but they mislead people that don't know about this and they control the public comunicatios (TV, Radio,....), and there they make adverts about that.

    They have the money, and they control everything with that. Because people in Valencia region (Reino de Valencia it's the real name that they have changed) just let the things go on when they don't have problems. In the school books, outside says: "Valencian language"....but inside they tell you that we are part of the Catalonian tongue....why??? Because people live ok without seeing it.

    And I will talk more, but for more details, be aware of the web from now on

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    Centenar de la Ploma
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    Cita Iniciado por Hispano88
    que alguien traduzca al cristiano :P
    Pareces mi padre

    PD: Te traduzco mi parrafo :P

    Está muy bien que nos visite gente de tan lejos. Estoy muy agradecido que haya decidido visitarnos y hablar con nosotros.

    El problema del que hablas es un poco más difÃ*cil, no se basa en la rivalidad entre nosotros y los catalanes, el gran problema comineza cuando tratan de inculcar su "cultura" (falsa cultura inventada) con dinero y a través de las escuelas (gracias a los politicos). Demostramos que Valencia no tiene nada que nos relacione con Cataluña (en cosas importantes sobre este tema), pero ellos engañan a la gente que no sabe del tema y controlan los medios de comunicacion (TV, Radio,....), y hacen publicidad de ello.

    Ellos tienen el dinero, y controlan todo con ello. Porque en la region de Valencia (Reino de Valencia es el nombre real que ellos han cambiado) simplemente dejan la vida pasar si ellos no tienen problemas. En las escuelas, los libros, en las tapas dice:"Valenciano (lengua)"....pero dentro dicen que somos parte de la lengua catalana...por qué??? Porque la gente vive feliz si no lo ve (ojos que no ven, corazon que no siente....y esto no lo ponia pero es verdad).

    Y hablaré más, pero para más detalles visita la web a partir de ahora y podremos conversar.

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    No me voy a poner a traducir todo ahora, pero es una chica de las islas cayman, unas islas inglesas en el caribe, que ha estado aquÃ* aprendiendo español y que ha conocido a valencianos que le han contado nuestra situación, la de los valencianos. Estos amigos le han pedido que escribiera aquÃ*. Cuenta que allÃ* en sus islas tienen una situación un tanto similar porque están también luchando por preservar su cultura frente a la alta inmigración inglesa. Intenta aconsejarnos diciendonos que valencianos y catalanes deberÃ*an encontrar una forma de respetarse y colaborar (esta chica no conoce a los catalanistas). Y espera que su comentario nos ayude y que espera nuestro comentarios.

    Esto es muy por encima lo que dice, lo siento si he entendido algo mal.

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    Sargent Centenar Avatar de mai_mos_fareu_catalans
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    OK, toy muerto de sueño, pero ahora lo traduzco, por cierto Hi Sandra!! Veo que hablas español, por lo tanto bienvenida y gracias por apoyarnos en nuestra lucha contra el imperialismo catalán!!
    Bueno...a ver ...no me jodais que mi ingles americano ( aunque ella es de Cayman, hablan ingles americano) no es perfecto, ok? Sandra dice:

    Hola Valencia,
    Os escribo como una nativa de las Islas de caimán, tres Islas Britanicas pequeñas en el Caribe. Me he enterado de su sitio web por amigos de Valencia con los que he desarrollado una gran relación durante mi dos meses que permanezco aquÃ* en Valencia. Ellos han sugerido que haga una contribución a este foro y yo estoy contenta de participar.

    Antes eso si, querrÃ*a expresar sinceramente cuan bendecida me hace sentir el que yo pueda tener la oportunidad asombrosa de sumergirme en la belleza de esta ciudad, su cultura, el idioma y estilo de vida de las personas de Valencian.

    El motivo de mi viaje a España erá que debÃ*a ser capaz de rodearme con la herencia española, mejorando mientras tanto mi habla española. Fué al poco de llegar que advertÃ* habÃ*a otro idioma hablado aquÃ* en Valencia, una lengua nativa de Valencianos. Poco después, hablando con amigos de aquÃ*, yo aprendÃ* de la rivalidad polÃ*tica que existe entre Valencianos y catalanes, y que ellos, los catalanes, tienen también propia la lengua y una herencia separada. Lo que es más importante, yo advertÃ* un sentimiento de Valencia y de la urgencia para proteger y retener su propia identidad.

    Cuando soy una recién llegada a Valencia, yo seré reservada con mis comentarios. Sin embargo, yo espero que pueda ser capaz de comenzar a contribuir a las soluciones al conflicto actual que existe, o reforzar por lo menos lo qué otros pueden haber dicho antes.

    Cuando una persona que viene de una paÃ*s/isla que comparte también las luchas semejantes a proteger su herencia, sus personas nativas, su propia manera de hablar, mientras tanto manteniendo todavÃ*a una relación amistosa con su patria, Inglaterra (no mencionar también el mantenimiento del respecto por las costumbres de las 100 diferentes nacionalidades que conviven en Caiman - el resultado de la inmigración masiva en los ultimos 30 años - una situación que ahora ha sido colocada bajo control por un edicto recientemente más EN PRO DE-Caymanian.), completamente apoyo Valencia en el derecho de mantener su propia identidad. Aunque la situación de Caymanian pueda ser diferente en muchos aspectos, yo creo que la lucha es el mismo: la conservación de una cultura, sus personas y la manera de vivir.

    Sin embargo, yo creo también que el retrato más grande es esto. Valencianos y catalanes son ambos españoles. Mas ellos, son diferentes y extraordinarios. Es importante que hay una aceptación de la diferencia en la historia, en la cultura, y en dÃ*a moderno de adelantos polÃ*ticos. Pero lo que es más importante, estas diferencias también se deben reconocer públicamente y deben ser respetadas. TodavÃ*a al mismo instante, como Valencianos y catalanes son ambos españoles, no simplemente por nacionalidad, pero también geográficamente conectados, ellos deben llegar sin ayuda para colaborar para el beneficio más grande de España.

    Espero que esto haya sido de alguna ayuda. Espero vista de algunos de sus comentarios.



    Sandra....THANKS AND WELCOME TO VALENCIAFREEDOM!!
    Y UN DIA EL PUEBLO SE LEVANTARA Y DIRA BASTA!!! NO AL IMPERIALISMO CATALAN!!

  7. #7
    Sargent Centenar Avatar de mai_mos_fareu_catalans
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    coño, ha escrito algo nuevo...bueno que alguien lo traduzca por mi o ya lo traduciré, au cacau!!
    Y UN DIA EL PUEBLO SE LEVANTARA Y DIRA BASTA!!! NO AL IMPERIALISMO CATALAN!!

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    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    ...

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    IMPORTANTE!!!!

    No me creo que sea quien dice ser. Que cada uno saque sus conclusiones, y si los administradores de esta web lo pueden averiguar y es cierto, por mi pueden borrar el tema entero.

    Si ha estudiado español y ha estado en España lo normal serÃ*a que escribiera en español.

    Esta persona ha hecho 7 ediciones de su texto en una hora que ha estado conectada, intentando mejorar la ortografÃ*a, alguien que escribe en su lengua no necesita hacer tantas correcciones. Si os fijais, también vereis que está muy pulido el texto, normalmente no somos tan puristas, y en inglés menos aún, escribiendo.

    Además, Las modificaciones se han hecho entre las 12:55am y las 1:55am aprox. que allÃ* serÃ*an entre las 5:55pm y las 6:55pm. Cae sospechosamente dentro del horario lÃ*mite español en que la gente se conecta a internet aquÃ* en España.

    Como dato adicional, también ha modificado su nacionalidad de USA a UK, más imprecisiones.

  10. #10
    Cavaller Centenar
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    Puix si que es sospitos la veritat, pero no se...
    Que els atres foristes opinen sobre el tema
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    Sargent Centenar Avatar de mai_mos_fareu_catalans
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    REINO DE VALENCIA
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    es quien dice ser, os lo garantizo!! Vamos por partes:
    Ha editado varias veces, porque según ella es muy perfeccionista en sus comentarios, ya que en su pais es una persona conocida (no puedo dar mas datos) y le gusta ser muy perfeccionista con su trabajo. Otra cosa, porque se quien es, es porque es amiga mia y de echo yo fuÃ* el que le hablo de la web y de los ataques del imperialismo catalán. Es todo cierto, y ella residio en España poco tiempo, pero no el suficiente para poder escribir en perfecto español, por eso lo hace en ingles.
    Lo de la nacionalidad es obvio, la pagina valenciafreedom no incluye Caiman Island y ella es britanica por lo tanto por eso la modifico. Y por cierto NO ESTA EN CAIMAN creo que lo deja claro, esta en España, concretamente en MI CASA, y regresara a Caiman en las proximas semanas. AsÃ* pues zanjadas las dudas berarma . Es caimanesa, y una tia genial. Algún dÃ*a igual nos pasamos por la sede del Gav, para que la conozcais. Un saludo!
    P.D.: Esta muy buena!! sorry Sandra, but I´m sure...the people want to know!!
    Y UN DIA EL PUEBLO SE LEVANTARA Y DIRA BASTA!!! NO AL IMPERIALISMO CATALAN!!

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Cita Iniciado por mai_mos_fareu_catalans
    P.D.: Esta muy buena!! sorry Sandra, but I´m sure...the people want to know!!


    HabÃ*a motivos para dudar.

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    Centenar de la Ploma
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    Vaya con mai mos. A mi las islas Cayman siempre me habian sonado a donde los malos de las pelis, huyen y se llevan toda la pasta.

    La verdad es que debe ser bonita la isla.

    Ya que estamos, pasale toda la informacion que puedas a tu amiga, y a ver si forma una asociacion valencianista por aquellas tierras. O como minimo le cuentas nuestra situacion para que trasmita todo esto a sus paisanos.

    Pd. Joder (con perdon) con tu vida social, que traspasa hasta fronteras y oceanos
    [B]¿Com no he de fer-les si escric en temps tan alluntats de quan l'arap es parlava en purea i tenint que conviure familiarment en persones que parlen romanç?

  14. #14
    Centenar de la Ploma
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    Que gran noticia....y no seais tan escepticos con los que escriben(JesValen de ti lo entiendo :P ).

    Además, un catalufo no serÃ*a capaz de escribir bien en inglés...no veis que solo tratan de hablar catalan olvidando español y todo lo que les hayan enseñado???? :P

  15. #15
    Cavaller Centenar Avatar de JOSE2
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    11 ene, 06
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    REGNE DE VALÉNCIA
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    Ja, ja,ja,ja, ja, ja......lo de "Mai" ha sido genial.

    ¡ EL MEJOR POST DE TODA LA HISTORIA DE VALENCIA FREEDOM, SIN DUDA "

    jUA, JUA, JUA, JUA, JUA........nos has dejado..........mu bueno tio.

    Por cierto cuando tenga que poner el aire acondicionado en marcha ya se que aqui puedo preguntar a más de uno y no como el año pasado que tuve que buscar en el diccionario que era cool, head, y no se que más que pone el mando......y no va de coña, lo tuve que buscar.
    ¡ BOICOT A LOS PUTOS PRODUCTOS CAGA-LANES...... A TODOS Y POR SIEMPRE !


    Uiquipèdia en valencià: https://www.lenciclopedia.org/Especial:CanvisRecents

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