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Tema: IBERISMO

  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    10 feb, 06
    Mensajes
    205

    IBERISMO

    La idea iberista propugna la unión de España y Portugal en un solo estado, durante el S.XIX y hasta la guerra civil tuvo bastante peso tanto en España como en Portugal, varias tendencias los monárquicos, republicanos, liberales..
    Curiosamente un proyecto "bonito" también fue aprovechado por los nacionalismo periféricos de España para pretender anular la soberanía nacional, y crear una especie de UE en Iberia con Cataluña, Galicia, Euskadi, España. y Portugal como naciones confederadas. Hoy en día el iberismo, no es lo que fue pero personajes de la talla de Saramago habla de una nueva Nación ibérica.
    He encontrado un foro : http://www.foroswebgratis.com/foro-i...ana-118809.htm , que trata este tema iberista, resulta que hay enfrentamiento entre los que son partidarios de un proyecto unionista nacional ibérico y otros en línea con el separatismo vasco,catalán y hasta gallego y asturiano hay otro foro más línea separatista www.iberistas.com Bueno es un tema un poco freekee pero quizá a alguien le interese.

    Algunos enlaces:

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberismo

    http://www.elpais.com/articulo/inter...lpepuint_5/Tes

    http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/t...-portugal-9876

    http://www.lne.es/secciones/noticia....a-descabellada

    http://iberistas.com/foro/viewtopic.php?p=15621

    http://iberistas.com/foro/portal.php

    http://62.204.194.45:8080/fedora/get...7005713569/PDF

    http://www.elboomeran.com/blog-post/...a-portuespana/

    http://ibericos.wordpress.com/2008/0...obre-iberismo/

  2. #2
    Mestre de lo Regne Avatar de BILLYJOE
    Fecha de ingreso
    18 nov, 07
    Ubicación
    Propet l'Albufera
    Mensajes
    2,798
    En estos moments asoles mos importa la nostra llengua millenaria, y la nostra lluita contra el pancatalanisme.

  3. #3
    Cavaller Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    26 dic, 06
    Ubicación
    Valencia
    Mensajes
    1,649
    De ésto ya había un tema... de hace tiempo.

    Yo no lo veo como una idea factible al Iberismo.
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>[B]<a href=\'http://www.uiquipedia.org\' target=_blank>Administrador de Uiquipedia, la Wikipedia en Valencià</a>.
    <a href=\'http://www.mevalencianiste.ya.st\' target=_blank>Moviment Estudiantil Valencianiste</a>.

  4. #4
    Centenar de la Ploma
    Fecha de ingreso
    16 jul, 07
    Mensajes
    814
    Sí home sí, com si no tinguérem prou en pagar-li les pensions a andalusos, aragonesos, extremenys, riojans... ara mos faltaven els portuguesos.

    ¿Per qué no incloem als marroquins també? Estaria divertit un Parlament Ibèric... El Partit Nacionalista Portugués debatint l'Estatut d'Autonomia de Portugal i reclamant millons a canvi de no separar-se, Rosa Díez queixant-se de que en Portugal "está todo en portugués, están persiguiendo a la lengua castellana" i finalment els marroquins reclamant que De la Vega es pose vel.


    M'importa un pet Iberia, Marroc, Espanya i Portugal. Sols m'importa el Regne de Valéncia.

  5. #5
    Cavaller Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    24 ene, 08
    Mensajes
    1,703
    Cita Iniciado por Batman
    Sí home sí, com si no tinguérem prou en pagar-li les pensions a andalusos, aragonesos, extremenys, riojans... ara mos faltaven els portuguesos.

    ¿Per qué no incloem als marroquins també? Estaria divertit un Parlament Ibèric... El Partit Nacionalista Portugués debatint l'Estatut d'Autonomia de Portugal i reclamant millons a canvi de no separar-se, Rosa Díez queixant-se de que en Portugal "está todo en portugués, están persiguiendo a la lengua castellana" i finalment els marroquins reclamant que De la Vega es pose vel.


    M'importa un pet Iberia, Marroc i Portugal. Sols m'importa el Regne de Valéncia.
    ESTIC EN TU PERO IBERIA NO ES UNA COMPANYIA AEREA CAUSANT DE CRISIS DE HISTERIA? PERDUA DE MALETES CANCELACIONS RETRASOS ETC... ENCARA RECORDE EL ULTIM VIATGE AB ELLS
    rotemburg-nurnberg REGNE VALENCIA MAI CATALA

    penyiscola

    <img src=\"http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7470/tncscas0201033007lq4.jpg\" alt=\"Image Hosted ImageShack.us\"/>

  6. #6
    Mestre de lo Regne Avatar de Edetanorum
    Fecha de ingreso
    30 dic, 06
    Ubicación
    Valencia, la joya de España
    Mensajes
    2,688
    rotemburg, puig millor enrecordat de atres coses com escriure be en valencia

    -el iberisme es una gilipollez!...

    per escomensar... "iberisme" ve de "ibero" adjetiu referent a la cultura ibera, la cual nomes va establirse a poc mes de la mitat de la anomenada peninsula iberica per lo q lo seu nom no te molt de trellat (per no dir q q no tota Espanya i Portugal estan dins de la peninsula...

    lo terme referit posteriorment a una cultura unica entre "portugesos" i "espanyols" va ser baix el domini roma, on se va anomenar Hispania o "la Hispalis" i del cual va ixir el de Espanya, paraula q ya usaben els visigots q gobernaren mes tart la peninsula i mes terrenys...

    mes tart encara la corona de Espanya va acollir al regne de Portugal baix la segua denominacio de ESPANYA

    escomensant nomes per ahi ya va tot malament xD...

    i si voleu seguim parlant del tema pero un atre dia q yo men vaig ya a dormir q es tart i dema treballe xD



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    Un bon lloc per a parlar i llegir sobre l'Iberismes es:

    www.hispanismo.org


    Apart de trobarte diversos articuls sobre la nostra llengua i cultura

    Ahh per cert, esta pagina conta actualment en 2 usuaris valencians i valencianistes
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    Ahh y ni se te ocurra entrar en el foro de Iberistas.com que ahi avogan por los paises catalanes !!
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    "iberisme" ve de "ibero" adjetiu referent a la cultura ibera, la cual nomes va establirse a poc mes de la mitat de la anomenada peninsula iberica
    Hispania es Espanya en Llatí, mentre que Iberia es Espanya en grec (de l'epoca clar).

    I es referent a tota la peninsula ya que porta ixe mateix nom (peninsula IBERICA)

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    personajes de la talla de Saramago habla de una nueva Nación ibérica.
    Atre personaje fon Menendez y Pelayo que deia coses com:

    “No queráis llamar 'lengua española' a la lengua castellana, frase malsonante y rara vez usada por nuestros clásicos, que siempre se preciaron de escribir en castellano. Tan lengua española es la castellana como la catalana y la portuguesa”.

    “Los catalanes, los gallegos y los vascos serían anti-españoles si quisieran imponer su modo de hablar a la gente de Castilla; pero son patriotas cuando aman su lengua y no se avienen a cambiarla por otra. Nosotros comprendemos que a un gallego, a un vasco o a un catalán que no quiera ser español se le llame separatista; pero yo pregunto cómo debe llamársele a un gallego que no quiera ser gallego, a un vasco que no quiera ser vasco, a un catalán que no quiera ser catalán. Estoy seguro de que en Castilla, a estos compatriotas les llaman “buenos españoles”, “modelo de patriotas”, cuando en realidad son traidores a sí mismos y a la tierra que les dio el ser. ¡Estos si que son separatistas!”.


    “El nombre de ‘España’, que hoy abusivamente aplicamos al reino unido de Castilla, Aragón y Navarra, es un nombre de región, un nombre geográfico, y Portugal es y será tierra española, aunque permanezca independiente por edades infinitas; es más, aunque Dios la desgaje del territorio peninsular, y la haga andar errante, como a Délos, en medio de las olas. No es posible romper los lazos de la historia y de la raza, no vuelven atrás los hechos ni se altera el curso de la civilización por divisiones políticas (siquiera eternamente), ni por voluntades humanas.
    Todavía en este siglo ha dicho Almeida-Garret, el poeta portugués por excelencia:

    ‘España y Portugal’ es tan absurdo como si dijéramos ‘España y Catalunya’. A tal extremo nos han traído los que llaman ‘lengua española’ al castellano e incurren en otras aberraciones por el estilo”.
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    d'aço ya parlarem, pero be.
    pense com BJ.
    ¡fora!
    ¡fora!
    ¡fora el català d\'escola!


    www.foromev.ya.st



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    Bo torne a escriure en este fil perque crec que la noticia es molt important per als Iberistes

    http://aeiou.expresso.pt/gen.pl?p=st...stories/321782



    Mundial-2018 de futebol
    Gilberto Madaíl insiste em candidatura ibérica
    O presidente da FPF diz saber que a própria FIFA já se mostrou muito agradada com essa ideia e que vai retomar as conversas com Espanha durante o Euro-2008.
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    A Espanha mostrou-se "altamente favorável" a uma candidatura conjunta com Portugal ao Mundial-2018 de futebol e os dois países vão voltar a falar durante o próximo Euro-2008.

    "Os contactos que fizemos foram interrompidos devido ao período eleitoral em Espanha. Agora, estamos em condições de retomar as conversações e esperamos fazê-lo durante o Euro-2008", afirmou Gilberto Madaíl.

    Num debate sobre a eventual candidatura conjunta, o presidente da Federação Portuguesa de Futebol (FPF) adiantou que espera brevemente abordar o projecto juntos dos Governos português e espanhol. Se a ideia avançar, é intenção de Madaíl que o projecto possa ser apresentado junto da FIFA em 2011.

    "A Espanha mostrou-se altamente favorável. Vamos continuar a falar. Neste momento, Portugal é uma mais valia para os espanhóis. Uma candidatura sozinha da Espanha contra uma da Rússia e de Inglaterra não será tão forte", defendeu Madaíl.

    Frisando que, presentemente, uma candidatura dos dois países "não passa apenas de uma ideia", o líder da FPF revelou que mais de dois terços dos portugueses concordam com a realização do Mundial-2018 em Portugal e Espanha.

    "Tivemos acesso a uma sondagem que indica que 85% dos portugueses acha que Portugal devia ter candidato. Existem 10 estádios em perfeitas condições de receber a prova, que apenas precisarão de alguns retoques e ajustamentos", salientou.

    Caso o projecto avance, Gilberto Madaíl considera a candidatura dos países ibéricos "muito forte".

    "Tem a vantagem de poder ser a vencedora. A própria FIFA já se mostrou agradada com essa possibilidade. Sei, por exemplo, que uma candidatura conjunta de Portugal e Espanha é o pesadelo da Inglaterra", referiu.
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    "iberisme" ve de "ibero" adjetiu referent a la cultura ibera, la cual nomes va establirse a poc mes de la mitat de la anomenada peninsula iberica
    Efectivamente, e independientemente de su Etimología, actualmente los únicos que pueden presumir de ser íberos y celtíberos, son los vascos ... Los romanos (como buenos marranos, añado) ya dieron buena cuenta del resto de la población indígena peninsular ...

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