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Catalanistes es queixen de que C9 utilisa formes catalanes

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Tema: Catalanistes es queixen de que C9 utilisa formes catalanes

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    Catalanistes es queixen de que C9 utilisa formes catalanes

    En el capítol de «Socarrats» del 16 de setembre, el personatge anomenat Ferran conta un acudit: mostra un matalaf de plàstic inflable dels que s´usen en les piscines i un got ple d´aigua, pregunta en què s´assemblen les dues coses i ell mateix respon «açò (el matalaf de plàstic) és un matalasset i açò (el got ple d´aigua) mata la set». Molt gracioset, però la veritat és que no hi ha cap valencià que diga matalàs, tots els valencians, diem matalaf. Aquesta f final, en alguns llocs es pronuncia p, però en els derivats, com ara matalafet o matalafer, tots pronunciem la f de manera claríssima. La variant formal matalàs és la que s´usa a Catalunya i tant eixa forma com matalaf són normatives. El DIEC les arreplega totes dues, encara que matalàs -la pròpia de Catalunya- apareix com a forma principal i matalaf -la que emprem els valencians- remet a matalàs. Però en els diccionaris valencians -Diccionari Valencià, Diccionari general de Francesc Ferrer Pastor, diccionari del SALT3 i DOPV de l´AVL- la forma principal és matalaf que, a més, és l´etimològica i la que usaven els nostres clàssics. Els diccionaris valencians arrepleguen també la forma matalàs, però això no implica que hàgem de renunciar a la forma que ens hem passat de pares a fills durant segles. La nostra televisió autonòmica té l´obligació de fomentar les nostres formes pròpies i no altres formes que ens són totalment alienes. Els valencians tenim una dita molt antiga: «la faena del matalafer: fer i desfer». Potser els responsables de Canal 9 volen que d´ara en avant diguem «la faena del matalasser: ser i desser».

    També he observat que en Canal 9 diuen sempre ronyó en lloc de renyó. Eixe vocable té dues variants formals: renyó -que és la que usem els valencians- i ronyó -que és la que majoritàriament s´usa a Catalunya i Mallorca-. La forma renyó, que és l´etimològica i la que empraven els nostres clàssics, es pronuncia de tres maneres diferents, segons llocs: renyó, ranyó (com pronunciar tarròs en lloc de terròs) i rinyó (com pronunciar gineral en lloc de general). La variant ronyó s´ha originat per una assimilació vocàlica regressiva (com els que diuen xocotet en lloc de xicotet). Segons l´Atles del domini lingüístic català la variant ronyó només es diu, en terres valencianes, en les poblacions de Tàrbena i l´Alqueria de la Comtessa. Si la majoria dels valencians diem renyó, no puc entendre quin interés tenen els responsables de Canal 9 en embotir-nos a la força la forma ronyó. ¿O és que volen que els teleespectadors pensem que parlem malament?

    També em sorprén l´ús exclusiu en Canal 9 de rigut en lloc de rist. La forma tradicional valenciana del participi del verb riure és rist i així ho hem dit sempre els valencians i així continuem dient-ho la majoria de nosaltres amb poquíssimes excepcions. La forma rigut, que és la que s´usa a Catalunya, és una forma més recent que pràcticament no ha penetrat en els parlars valencians. És una forma més regular, és veritat, però per a la majoria de valencians és una forma estranya. De riure fer rigut ens sona tan estrambòtic com si d´escriure férem 'escrigut' o de descriure 'descrigut', que també són formes regulars però inexistents. La Gramàtica normativa valenciana de l´AVL diu que el participi del verb riure és rist, rista, rists, ristes, encara que en una nota a peu de pàgina diu que «també pot adoptar les formes següents: rigut, riguda, riguts, rigudes». Això ho diu per respecte a la unitat de la llengua. Però una cosa és la unitat de la llengua i una altra de ben diferent emprar en el valencià, tant parlat com escrit, formes que ens són alienes. La forma rist -que és la forma tradicional valenciana i que es conserva ben viva en tots els nostres parlars- és l´única que s´hauria d´utilitzar en els mitjans audiovisuals.

    No estaria gens malament que Canal 9 fera cas de les recomanacions de la normativa lingüística que emana de l´Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua, que és l´únic organisme que, a la Comunitat Valenciana, té capacitat per a elaborar una normativa per a la nostra llengua, tal com està especificat de manera molt clara en el nostre estatut d´autonomia.
    Si els responsables de la nostra televisió pública tenen tant d´interés que els valencians sentim paraules i expressions pròpies del català oriental, en lloc d´embotir-nos-les d´amagat en els programes de producció pròpia, més valdria que compraren a TV3 els doblatges que fan de les pel·lícules i que ens les passaren en català oriental directament, en lloc de fer-ho en castellà, que és el que fan sempre. Per a sentir pel·lícules en castellà no ens cal haver de suportar la despesa que representa la televisió autonòmica.
    http://www.levante-emv.com/secciones...talafer-desfer

    TRADUCCIÓ (no recomanable perque pert el sentit)
    http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=ca&tl=es

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    Cavaller Centenar
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    osea, si no entiendo mal, quieren la unidad de la lengua, pero que aquí se utilicen las formas genuinas valencianas??? creo que lo entiendo mal, o es que estoy ya.... que alguien me lo explique...
    <a href=\'http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5952/dibujopp3.png\' target=_blank>VIXCA VALÉNCIA LLIURE!!!</a><img src=\'http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5952/dibujopp3.png\'>

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    Prior de lo Regne Avatar de llunablava
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    si esque no se aclaran ni entre ellos

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    Centenar de la Ploma
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    Eixos no saben ni lo que volen, són aixina.

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    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de 100iment
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    tercerviístes

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    Moderador Avatar de nrf_blau
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    Els falten collons per a defendre clarament aa Valéncia!
    Nostra Real Senyera no s'agenolla davant ningu...

    ¡Gloria a la Patria, Vixca Valencia!

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    Mestre de lo Regne Avatar de Edetanorum
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    el q va escriure aço diu q se te q parlar el valencia q parlen els nostres pares i yayos... llavors per q "s´inventa" paraules com "amb", "nosaltres", "aquesta" etc etc

    i una coseta mes, si este home sap tant... com es q no coneix la Real Academia de la Cultura Valenciana???

    cheee deixeuvos de mijes tintes i defengau la llengua valenciana de veritat



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    Prior de lo Regne Avatar de SomValencians.es
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    És que l´AVL hauria de velar, com a minim, i segons diuen els seus academics, per la predominancia de les formes valencianes davant les alienes.
    @VdeVox: Español, valenciano y regionalista, opositor del catalanismo y la corrupción. Hoy en Vox Valencia, junto a otros muchos valencianos comprometidos.

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    Creuat de lo Regne Avatar de RafaP
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    ¿estos que se fumen ?
    Millor callar i paréixer estúpit que parlar i dixar qualsevol dubte.

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    General de lo Regne Avatar de paco1983
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    eso es lo que ellos querian ¿no? que el catalan sustituyera a las formas autoctonas valencianas,creo que se estan arrepintinedo del monstruo que han creado,el catalanismo va a fagocitar la lengua valenciana y ellos seran los culpables,al loro que estos cabrones con lo mentirosos que son en un futuro muy proximo diran que el catalan fagocito a la lengua valenciana por culpa de los castellanoparlantes

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    Comandant de lo Regne Avatar de Valencianot
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    ¡¡ !! ¡¡Pero si en eixe text n'hi han paraules que tampoc són genuines valencianes!!

    ¡¡PERO QUÉ BURROS QUE SÓN!!
    Catarroja aigua roja i el moli sense forment i les chiques guapes en Alcasser i Picassent.

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    Esta gente es la típica que se piensa y se pensaba que asimilando y juntando el valenciano con el catalán, el valenciano "sobreviviría" respecto al castellano, y ahora se dan cuenta de lo que llevamos diciéndoles toda la vida, que al asimilar el valenciano al catalán, lo que realmente pasará es que el valenciano desaparecerá en detrimento del catalán.

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    Mestre de lo Regne
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