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Ara nosatres treballem i vivim a l'horta.

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Tema: Ara nosatres treballem i vivim a l'horta.

  1. #1
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    Ara nosatres treballem i vivim a l'horta.

    No me referixc a l'horta de comarca, me'n referixc l'horta campestre.. Segons he llegit en la wikipedia en aragonés això es lo que fica respecte a les nostres diferencies fonètiques respecte a lo català:

    Fonetica
    Pronunziazión de a -r final, perdita en catalán cheneral: cantar, ahir.
    A g, j tien una pronunziazión prepalatal africata sonora, como en italián, a diferenzia de o catalán zentral que tien una pronunziazión fricatiba sonora. En o balenzián de a Uerta s'ha enchordito y se pronunzia como a nuestra ch.

    Traducció:
    Fonètica
    -Pronunciació de la -r final, perduda en lo català general: cantar, ahir.
    - A les g i j te una pronunciació prepalatal africada sonora, com en italià, a diferencia de lo català central que te una pronunciació "fricatiba" sonora.
    En lo valencià de l'Horta s'ha "enchordito" i es pronuncia com la nostra ch.

    Aixina que lo que nosatres parlem es de l'horta.. Esque ara tots treballem a l'horta i per això es tan bo l'arrós valencià... No te foig..

    Percert, estic fart del corrector ortogràfic de valencià per al mozilla.. No m'admet moltes coses.. com "corregixca".. -.-'

  2. #2
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    Clar, eixe text es referix a l'apichat, i l'apichat on majoritariament es parala és en l'Horta.

  3. #3
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    Clar, eixe text es referix a l'apichat, i l'apichat on majoritariament es parala és en l'Horta.
    Pero a vore, la CH es pronuncia digam per quasi tota la comunitat valenciana.. uns la pronuncien més qu'atres..

  4. #4
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    ¿En casi tota? La ch substituva de g i j, q es a la q es referix eix artícul (per eix. dir Chardí en conte de jardí, o formache en conte de formage), es la ch de l'apichat i només es diu en l'Horta, la Ribera i Gandia.

  5. #5
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    ¿I com es pronuncia a la resta?

    Shardí? Jardí? Llardí?

    i gent:
    Shent? Jent? Llent?

    Pregunte :S

  6. #6
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    Hmm, hauries de sentir-ho Shardí sonaria si s'escrivira en x (xardí), Jardí es com sona i Llardí puix això llardí. Si sentires parlar ad algú de la Marina o del Baix Maestrat sabries com es pronuncia. Per ací és impossible.

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    Hmm, hauries de sentir-ho Shardí sonaria si s'escrivira en x (xardí), Jardí es com sona i Llardí puix això llardí. Si sentires parlar ad algú de la Marina o del Baix Maestrat sabries com es pronuncia. Per ací és impossible.
    Pero así, hablando castellano, siguiendo normas del castellano ¿como se pronuncia?

    ¿Llardí, Jardí o Shardí?

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Es que ese sonido no existe en castellano.

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    Es que ese sonido no existe en castellano.

    Aaaa.. llavors ya se a quin so te referixes..
    Bah, tampoc n'hi ha tanta diferencia xddd

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    Centenar de la Ploma
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    estos pamtumakets no diuen una en trellat
    VIXCA LA REAL SENYERA CORONÀ
    VIXCA LA MARE DE DEU DELS DESAMPARATS
    VIXCA LA LLENGUA VALENCIANA
    VIXCA LO REGNE DE VALÉNCIA
    FORA TRAÏDORS DE LA NOSTRA TERRA ¡¡¡YA!!!

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    Comandant de lo Regne Avatar de Valencianot
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    En la zona de l'apichat seria "ch" per a la "g" i "j".

    Si anem a una part de Castello solen dir una pronunciacio entre "ch" i "sh" pero tirant cap a "ch".

    En canvi en una part d'Alacant podem vore com les pronuncien en "ll" o "y".

    Castello: "Pushar". (Tirant la fonetica cap a "ch").
    Valéncia: "Puchar".
    Alacant: "Pullar".
    Catarroja aigua roja i el moli sense forment i les chiques guapes en Alcasser i Picassent.

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    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de Murta
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    "Ara nosatres treballem i vivim a l'horta". Perdonar mi ignorancia pero la frase anterior no seria mas correcto decir "Ara nosatres treballem i vivim en l'horta". pues en la primera me suena mas a barceloni que a Valenciano. ok
    Libertad significa responsabilidad. Por eso la mayoría la teme

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    Comandant de lo Regne Avatar de Valencianot
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    Crec que se pot dir de les dos formes:

    Vivim EN l'Horta.
    Vivim A l'Horta.

    Pero s'utilisa molt més la forma "en".

    Atre eixemple del per qué és correcte dir "a", ho tenim en el parlar del poble:

    Voy a pegarle un tiro en la cabeza.
    Vaig a pegar-li un tir AL cap. a+el= al
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