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El termino "País Valencià"

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Tema: El termino "País Valencià"

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    El termino "País Valencià"

    Hola a tots, l'altre dia, discutint a l'institut sobre la denominació de la nostra comunitat vaig tindre un dubte.
    yo defenia la denominacio "nacio valenciana", front uns altres que utilisaven "pais valencia" i altres que defenien "comunitat valenciana"
    yo tinc clar que, per la estima que tinc a la meua patria mai aceptare comunitat valenciana.
    tambe estic en contra de pais valencia per la relacio que te en els PPCC.
    ells me dien que pais valencia no te res de catala, es solament un nom (tinc que dir, com a opinio personal, que considere mes digne el nom pais valencia que el de comunidad) i no te res que vore en catalunya o balears.
    el fet es que yo vaig argumentar el NO al pais valencia, perque els catalans mos estan furtant la nostra identitat com a valencians. despres el profesor, com a prova de la unitat linguistica (causada per la repoblacio catalana) va llegir els apellits de la gent de clase i el 60% eren de proveniencia catalana (i soc d'elig, no de vinaròs ni puestos d'eixos)
    en resumen, me va deixar KO el cabro XD, no vaig saber argumentar en contra i me vaig quedar soles en la meua nacio valenciana. (els de pais valencia van convencer a 4 de comunitat)
    he arribat a un par de conclusions:

    1. No tinc ni puta idea de res: en un argument com el de els apellits me va deixar fora de joc, vaig estar a punt de passarme a pais valencia. ajudeu-me a argumentarrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. el conflicte linguistic valencia es una cosa que van patir els nostres pares, i que, si no fem res per a remediarlo, el patiran els nostres fills, vull dir: Si no tenim clar el nostre puto nom, ¿com anem a fer valencianisme?
    3. els d'esquerres de classe, apoyaven pais valencia, i els apolitics i de dretes, comunitat valenciana. yo soc d'esquerres de tota la vida vull dir: la dreta i la seua "comunitat" es antivalenciana ya de per si, i l'esquerra de pais me pareix millor que comunitat (per a mi nacio=pais>regne>comunitat>regio) eixa es la meua escala per a denominar el territori.

    Me senc valencià, tinc apellits catalans, no sé com nombrar el territori ni argumentar contra la unitat linguistica. a lo millor es este el gran problema valencià, no sabem ni qui som, ni d'on venim, i si no sabem estes coses.. ves a saber tu on anirem.

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    ¿seguro que eran apellidos catalanes?ami el cabron del profesor panca me decia lo mismo y me informe y descubri que aparte de que no tenia ningun apellido catalan,mis 2 apellidos eran valencianos de pura cepa,que no te engañen hay una web en la que pones tu apellido y te dicen la procedencia y te muestran una imagen con tu heraldica(escudo).

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    ¿seguro que eran apellidos catalanes?ami el cabron del profesor panca me decia lo mismo y me informe y descubri que aparte de que no tenia ningun apellido catalan,mis 2 apellidos eran valencianos de pura cepa,que no te engañen hay una web en la que pones tu apellido y te dicen la procedencia y te muestran una imagen con tu heraldica(escudo).

    ¿Quina es la uep?

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    Lo que tenim que fer els valencianistes es llegir i estudiar. Yo e ''raonat'' en mestres, jovens i majors, i sempre els e deixat sense arguments. (I yo no es que sàpia molt), pero en un poquet que estudies l'historia de la repoblacio, i el passat de la Llengua Valenciana pots vore tots els documents que hi han. Mentres que per part dels pankes tots son teories sense arguments. Lo que tenim que fer mosatros sempre es parlar en documents i l'historia en la ma.

    Per eixemple: en la reconquista de Jaume I, no arribaren ni a un 5% (de lo que seria en l'actualitat catalans).
    Lo millor es llegir tant per internet com llibres, i anar a investigar.

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    Clar que si, mos tenim que informar i documentar per a que no mos enganyen

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    Som, por faor, no escribas en catalán. Tanto altre y demás duele a los ojos.

    1º Mira aquí tienes dos artículos de Amparo Cabanes que deja bien claro que de repoblación catalana nada de nada.

    http://www.teresafreedom.com/modules...rticle&artid=8

    http://www.teresafreedom.com/modules...ticle&artid=21

    2º Además tenemos que unas dos mil personas que fueron los repobladores, es muy dificil (o les molaba mucho la marcha) que llenaran de apellidos catalanes toda Valencia. Sec alcula que en el Reino vivían unas 200.000 personas(ojo, sin contar el reino de Denia

    3º Algunos ejemplos de apellidos valencianos de antes de Jaime I.

    Pero justamente esto constituía á Valencia en lugar de refugio de los caballeros cristianos, que por cualquier causa se indisponían con sus señores. Uno de estos fué el célebre D. Blasco de Alagón, que permaneció en ella más de dos años. Las relaciones —26→ de estos caballeros hacían desear la conquista de una comarca, que por su fertilidad era la envidia de todos. D. Blasco decía al rey don Jaime11: «es la meylor terra, e la pus bela del mon... E no ha vuy deius Deu tan delitos logar com es la ciutat de Valencia, e tot aquel regne»; lo cual confirmaba el Maestre del Hospital, añadiendo: «axi ho diem tots aquels qui han estat al Regne de Valencia, e fama publica es».

    Otro linaje de pruebas podríamos aducir en confirmación de la existencia en Valencia de mozárabes: los mismos nombres de los moros. En el libro del Repartimiento encontramos muchos sobrenombres, que claramente revelan su origen.<>Los que los llevan no son cristianos, pero precisamente lo serían sus padres ó antecesores. Por no ser difusos, solo citaremos los de Xempeteri (San Pedro), Aben Vives, Sancte Marini, Aben Lop (Lopez), Aben Sancho, Abualgumez (Gómez), Aben Fortun, Ferriz, Aben Calbo, Aben Bono, Abentauro y otros muchos. En Alcira había una partida llamada Alcanicia (ahora Alquenencia) y también otra lo mismo en el valle de Pop, cerca de Murla. Este nombre significa la iglesia de los cristianos.[/b]
    http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/serv...00001.htm#I_0_ página 3

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    Lo que tenim que fer els valencianistes es llegir i estudiar. Yo e ''raonat'' en mestres, jovens i majors, i sempre els e deixat sense arguments. (I yo no es que sàpia molt), pero en un poquet que estudies l'historia de la repoblacio, i el passat de la Llengua Valenciana pots vore tots els documents que hi han. Mentres que per part dels pankes tots son teories sense arguments. Lo que tenim que fer mosatros sempre es parlar en documents i l'historia en la ma.

    Per eixemple: en la reconquista de Jaume I, no arribaren ni a un 5% (de lo que seria en l'actualitat catalans).
    Lo millor es llegir tant per internet com llibres, i anar a investigar.
    Tota la raó del món. N'hi ha que estudiar.

    Llegir sobre l'historia de Valéncia es de lo millor que es pot fer per a fer valencianisme.
    <img src=\'http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7956/nelolu0.gif\'>
    <img src=\'http://www.puntval.org/img/puntval468.gif\'>

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    SomiSeremNacio, lo dels llinages catalans està demostrat per l'historiadora Amparo Cabanes que és una farsa de Enric Guillot sobre el llibre del repartiment, ací trobí yo el llibre de Amparo Cabanes, te recomane que ho lliggues: http://www.idiomavalenciano.com/arch...ic-guillot.zip

    Bàsicament té algo a vore en una falsificació en la que tacharen els noms dels repobladors que no havien repoblat res, per a poder dir que sí que ho havien repoblat. Llig el llibre.

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    Última edición por Pensat_i_fet; 25/06/2012 a las 21:55

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    Explicant el tractat de Corveill desarmes a qualsevol panca. Este tractat explica que els condats de la marca hispanica eren francesos hasta 1270 (prou despres de que Jaume I conquistara Valencia) i que per lo tant catalunya ni existia. El poble Valencia es molt mes antic que el catala.

    Atre argument esque n'hi han escrits del sigle X en romanç valencia, 200 anys ans de que vinguera Jaume I. A banda que els pobladors dels condats francesos eren manco d'un 5% dels conquistadors i molts sen tornaren a sa casa despres.

    Per cert, una duda que me surgix ara, si eren un 5% de lo que actualement es Catalunya, pot ser serien un 2% dels condats "precatalans", ya que Lleida i Tarragona eren aragonesos

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    Última edición por Pensat_i_fet; 25/06/2012 a las 21:55

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    Yo estic be en Comunitat Valenciana.. El nom no m'impota molt, pero esque dir Pais Valencia sona malament perque hu diuen els catalanistes.. Es com Navarra, els vascs diuen Navarroa.. No se si esque es en vasc o com.. que ademes la llengua vasca en realitat es Navarra.. Segons els romans: Lingua Navarrum, o algo aixina..

    Salutacions

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    Somiseremnacio, lo dels llinages no m'ho crec. Ho senc molt pero deuries informarte si de veres són o no catalans.

    Lo de Pais es un tema prou complicat, es de veres que en un inici no tenia res a vore en Catalunya ni el catalanisme, la "Real Sociedad Económica de Amigos del País Valenciano" fundat en 1776, era valencià i punt, algo aixina com lo de Nacio Valenciana, pero tampoc cregues que eren d'esquerres. Lo que passa es que més avant la gent d'esquerres escomençà ad utilisarlo per allo de com que eren republicans no els agradava lo de Regne, despres se sumaren els primers catalanistes ya que eren sobretot republicans perque anaven contra l'unitat nacional espanyola i ya finalment Joan Fuster va ser l'encarregat de catalanisar del tot eixe nom.

    En aixo vuic dir que el vertader nom, es Regne de Valencia, s'han utilisat a lo llarc de l'historia atres acepcions, pero sempre eixa ha sigut la més utilisà. Lo de Pais es cert que en un principi no tenia res a vore en Catalunya, pero la cosa ha canviat, igual que la quatribarrà que en un principi no significava res de catalanitat (corona d'Arago) pero que hui en dia, si.
    Pensat no es tan dificil. Es lo de siempre, pillan un termino y le cambian el significado sacándolo de contexto y le dan su interpretación, como tienen medios de difusión y colegios, imponen su mentira y au.

    Las sociedades económicas de amigos del pais las tienes por toda España, pero seguro que el significado no era el que pretenden darle.



    país.

    (Del fr. pays).

    1. m. Nación, región, provincia o territorio.

    2. m. paisaje (‖ pintura o dibujo).

    3. m. Papel, piel o tela que cubre la parte superior del varillaje del abanico.

    vivir sobre el ~.

    1. loc. verb. Mil. Dicho de las tropas: Mantenerse a expensas de quienes habitan el territorio que dominan.

    2. loc. verb. Vivir a costa ajena, valiéndose de estafas y otros procedimientos similares.

    □ V.

    fruta del país
    http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltCons...US=3&LEMA=pais


    A los pancas hay que aplicarles la segunda parte

    vivir sobre el ~.

    1. loc. verb. Mil. Dicho de las tropas: Mantenerse a expensas de quienes habitan el territorio que dominan.

    2. loc. verb. Vivir a costa ajena, valiéndose de estafas y otros procedimientos similares


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    que mierda da leer lo de pais.... PUTOS PANKAS...
    VIXCA LO REGNE

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    Jajajaja, molt bo Tirant
    Quina gent.. Ademés ara diuen PRINCIPAT DE CATALUNYA

    ¡L'UNIC PRINCIPAT D'ESPANYA ES EL PRINCIPAT D'ASTURIES!

    No tenen gens de vergonya xD

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