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Que dirian de Aznar si exigiera el español a inmigrantes?

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Tema: Que dirian de Aznar si exigiera el español a inmigrantes?

  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    18 sep, 07
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    Que dirian de Aznar si exigiera el español a inmigrantes?

    La Generalidad catalana exigirá saber catalán a todos los inmigrantes

    Politica/ Los inmigrantes en Cataluña deberán demostrar "unos conocimientos básicos" del catalán. La responsable de esta nueva medida es la consejera de Acción Social, la republicana Carmen Capdevila, y ha asegurado que "la lengua vehicular de acogida será el catalán" y que el servicio de acogida "garantizará el aprendizaje en primer lugar de la lengua catalana, y (después) se facilitará la adquisición de competencias lingüísticas en lengua castellana siempre que la persona lo requiera para completar su proceso de acogida"

    www.elpalleter.com

    http://www.libertaddigital.com/socie...go-1276346501/
    <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://www.gav-valencianistes.com/\">Lo nostre GAV</a>**** <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://www.lenguacatalana.com\">Tot de la \"lengua catalana\"</a>Comprometido con el Derecho a Vivir. http://derechoavivir.org

  2. #2
    Prior de lo Regne Avatar de RV-VCF
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    19 jun, 07
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    Puix segurament si algú imposara el castellà l´haurien matat ya...

  3. #3
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    15 dic, 08
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    La Constitución recoge el derecho y deber de todos los ciudadanos de conocer las lenguas de allí donde viven. Esta medida tendría que ser para catalán y castellano.

  4. #4
    Moderador Global
    Fecha de ingreso
    16 mar, 06
    Ubicación
    Un lugar en la tierra
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    Pues date una vuelta por Denia, Javea, Benidorm,... y le explicas eso a los centenares de miles de alemanes, ingleses, suecos,... que viven allí y se entienden solo entre ellos y a señas con los demás.

    Y lo vecinos del pueblo encantados.

  5. #5
    Aspirant a Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    15 dic, 08
    Mensajes
    67
    Se puede vivir sin conocer la lengua. Complicado pero se puede. Y donde coexisten dos lenguas se puede vivir con solo una. Sin embargo remarco lo que dice nuestra Constitución. En si "Aznar" ya exige el español a los inmigrantes.

  6. #6
    Moderador Global
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    16 mar, 06
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    Lo curioso es que cuando el PP (y no comparto muchas cosas con el PP) propuso medidas similares, se le llamo poco menos que senofobo.

    Lo que choca es que segun quien toma la medida esa es democratica o fascista.

    Las medidas que esta tomado ZP son las mismas contra las que cuando el famoso "papeles para todos" él mismo y el PSOE en general criticaba.

  7. #7
    Aspirant a Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    15 dic, 08
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    67
    Es que muchas veces los demócratas son los fascistas sin medios suficientes.

  8. #8
    Moderador Global
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    O las fascistas se camuflan de democratas.

  9. #9
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    15 dic, 08
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    Es que últimamente estoy indignado con esto de la ocupación de la UAB. Ni tan solo estoy en la universidad, con lo cual ni me va ni me viene, pero he visto la manipulación que han hecho en unas votaciones con tal de continuar una ocupación y deseo que les abran la cabeza a golpes de expediente. Después de tanta imagen sobre "defensa del pueblo" y "¡democracia! ¡libertad!" es lo más patético que podían hacer. Sin tener ni tan solo nada en juego.

  10. #10
    Moderador Global
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    Bueno todo forma parte del juego, del trabajo que desde hace años estan haciendo unos iluminados.

    Recientemente escuchaba a un alumno sindicalista, no recuerdo si era una de las consignas o lo que ponia en su pancarta, decia algo así como "Universidad para todos" Universidad para el hijo del obrero" (Como si los planes de Bolonia o la actual legislación fuera a imopedir al hijo de un obrero que quiera, llegar a la universidad.

    Pensando sobre el tema, llegue a la conclusion siguente. Serán burros. En lugar de buscar una educación de calidad, solo les han metido en la cabeza que deben llegar a la universidad como sea y sacar un titulo, pese a que ese titulo sea inutil en el mercado global.

    ¿No sería logico que los estudiantes pidieran, exigieran, titulos de calidad para los alumnos que realmente esten cualificados para estudiar una carrera universitaria y el que no, que pueda conseguir una capacitación profesional adecuada en un trabajo normal?

    Las listas del paro estan llenas de universitarios, miles de universitarios realizan trabajos por debajo de sus tirulaciones para poder subsistir.

    Ahora busca un fontanero, un electricista, una carpintero, un buen mecanico,...

    ¿No son tan dignos unos trabajos como otros? ¿No sería lógico que se manifestaran por una educación de calidad sin mirar tantro el titulo?

    ¿Sabes lo que va a suceder? Que gracias a los planes educactivos socialistas, los titulos de la mayoria de los estudiantes universitarios serán papel mojado, que los hijos de la llamada casta parasitaria terminarán estudiando en las mejores universidades privadas, y los hijos de los obreros engrosando las listas del paro con titulos bajo el brazo. Y cuando se les rompa el water de casa, pagando una pasta a los pocos fontaneros que decidieron buscarse la vida y aprender un oficio.

    Las manifas estas, los planes educativos socialistas y las aborregadas universidades, son una tomadura de pelo y una estafa.

    ¿Donde estudian los hijos de Montilla, Rubalcaba, Zapatero, ...?

  11. #11
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    En Plan de Boloña tiene cosas buenas y cosas malas. Sin embargo a mi me parece que busca una educación más preparada pero menos accesible. España es un país que necesita burros que tiren del carro, una gran masa de gente que trabaje por cuatro duros ya que por algo tenemos los niveles más bajos de Europa, y ahora tienen una oportunidad para plantear la universidad como un sitio donde se aprenda pero que solo entre un grupo más reducido y preparado, y el resto los tienes para trabajos menos remunerados y complicados. Es la sensación que a mi me da, tampoco es que sepa mucho sobre el tema.

    Esta noche si tengo un rato pondré lo de la votación que te decía.

  12. #12
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    Hay una cosa clara, todo ingenieros no podemos ser.

    Y al paso que vamos, solo los que puedan pagarse una educación elitista en una universidad de prestigio y con un nivel alto, serán los que puedan alcanzar las metas. Los demás, con la universidad actual, podrán ponerse el titulo en un precioso marco, colgarlo en un piso de 30m2 para toda la familia, y engrosar las listas del paro o trabajar en precario aprendiendo sobre la marcha a currar de cajero en un hiper 24 horas, reponedor en un super 365 dias al año, o camarero en un bar para ricos europeos.

    Yo creo (por lo que he escuchado), que la educación pre Logse, era mejor. Existia una FP potente donde se formaban buenos profesionales, unas posibilidades de aprender un oficio formandote in situ, y una universidad para los que realmente tienen capacidad y meritos academicos.

    Luego depende de cada uno, de sus ganas de esforzarse, de su inteligencia y cualidades tecnicas, ...

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