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Tema: ¿Asturiano o Valenciano?, con perdón.

  1. #1
    Creuat de lo Regne Avatar de ALQUERIA
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    ¿Asturiano o Valenciano?, con perdón.

    EN EL DIARI ABC.

    ...Son los «idólatras de la ciencia -escribirá el sociólogo José Luis Pinillos- que la han venido acogiendo en el tribunal supremo del conocimiento hasta dejar sin voz la sabiduría... ». Son los creyentes en el número pi, ese número inconmensurable... o sea, ¡eterno!, sólo con fe se puede creer en él. Cosas de ¡la ciencia!, ese recurso para engolados. Quien nos va a hablar de la fe, sin duda, será el nuevo arzobispo de Valencia, que viene de Asturias, que está ya estudiando valenciano a través de su gramática. Ernesto Sábato le diría que es un error -creo que García Márquez le apoyaría- que primero hay que aprender la lengua y después estudiar su gramática. Claro que el arzobispo tiene mucho avanzado si habla el bable, la lengua asturiana. Porque en bable se dice «afeitar, bona, cacau, carrasca, correu, costra, cruxir, didal, donar, enfilar, farina, fartar, ferida, ferir, fermosura, ferrador, ferrar, fideu, fila, foguera, folgar, forca, furtar, herba, lladrar, lladre, llegaña, llágrima, llana, llástima, llastre, lleonera, lletra, llibrería, llibreta, lligar, llimonada, llista, llitera, lluna, nadal, pernil, ringlera, roin, tastar, tirar... » ¿Es bable o es valenciano? Que el arzobispo nos cuenté cómo y cuándo llegó Jaime I a Asturias a llevarles la lengua. ¿Iba algún tatarabuelo de Pompeu Fabra con él?
    No viene a Somalia, pero aquí encontrará piratas lingüísticos -con base principal en Burjassòt- que secuestran palabras en boca de los fieles y piden rescate por ellas: sumisión a la unidad de destino. Y no se sorprenda cuando sepa que aquí el mal no viene del pecado sino de Almansa, que el demonio no se llama Lucifer, ni Satanás, ni Cachano... sino Felipe V. Y que hay aquí curas «normalizados» -ecumenistas de barraca- que le recibirán de uñas por no ser valenciano. ¡Abróchese bien! Y sea bienvenido...

  2. #2
    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    Es normal que en esas palabras sean iguales al valenciano,en el castellano antiguo y otras lenguas tambien le pasaba igual.
    Se cambio la F por la H,al igual que la LL por L,...etc.

  3. #3
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    Entre atres llengües paregudes tenim la llengua aragonesa que NO es castellà com volen fermos creure els catalanistes. L'aragones antic era una llengua molt, molt pareguda al valencià i a l'occità NO era castellà (encara que antigament el castellà era mes paregut al valencià que hui en dia). En atres paraules, antigament tots els romances peninsulars eren mes pareguts entre ells que hui en dia i, per eixemple, una paraula com "finestra" la teniem tant en valencià, com en català, com en aragones. Ahi vos deixe un grapat de paraules de la llengua aragonesa pa que vos doneu conte que els aragonesos - mes encara que els catalans - deixaren la seua marca en el romanç valencià antic:

    Aragones / Valencià / Castellà

    - a sobén (sovint [a menudo])
    - afalagar (afalagar [halagar])
    - aforro (aforro [ahorro])
    - agüelo (agüelo [abuelo])
    - amprar (amprar [tomar prestado])
    - ansa (ansa [asa])
    - apañar (apanyar [arreglar])
    - arribar (arribar [llegar])
    - arrozegar (arrossegar [arrastrar])
    - ascla (ascla [astilla])
    - asentar (assentar [asentar])
    - asinas (aixina [así])
    - astral (astral [hacha])
    - atros/atras (atres [otros/otras])
    - augua [aigua/àuia [agua])
    - badallar (badallar [bostezar])
    - bezons [bessons [gemelos/mellizos])
    - bi ha (hi ha [hay])
    - bullir (bollir [hervir])
    - cachumbo (cachumbo [contenedor])
    - caguera (caguera [diarrea])
    - cal (cal/convé [conviene/cale (arc.)])
    - caparra (caparra [garrapata])
    - capuzón (cabuço/escabuço [chapuzón])
    - carrucha (carrucha [polea])
    - charrar (charrar [conversar])
    - chasco (chasco [chasco])
    - chen (gent [gente])
    - chenullo (genoll [rodilla])
    - chiflar (chiflar [pitar])
    - china-chana (chino-chano/chano-chano [sin prisa pero sin pausa])
    - chinero (giner [enero])
    - chiquet (chiquet [niño])
    - chirmán (germà [hermano])
    - chirmana (germana [hermana])
    - choben (jove [joven])
    - chorra (chorra [suerte])
    - chulla (chulla [chuleta])
    - claus (claus [llaves])
    - compañers (companyers [compañeros])
    - cotón (cotó [algodón])
    - cremar (cremar [quemar])
    - cuaranta (quaranta [cuarenta])
    - cucar (cucar [guiñar ojo/agusanar])
    - dimpués (despues/dimpues/despres (arc.) [después])
    - diners (diners [dinero])
    - dotze (dotze [doce])
    - embolicar (embolicar [liar])
    - embozar (embossar [atascar])
    - empentar (espentar [empujar])
    - en puesto de (en el puesto de [en lugar de])
    - encara (encara [aún])
    - endiñar (endiñar [adjudicar])
    - esbarar (esbarar [resbalar])
    - esfer (desfer [deshacer])
    - esquerra (esquerra [izquierda])
    - fardacho (fardacho [lagarto])
    - fardar (fardar [ostentar])
    - farina (farina [harina])
    - fer (fer [hacer])
    - fillo (fill [hijo])
    - finestra (finestra [ventana])
    - flama (flama [llama])
    - forau/forato (forat [agujero])
    - formiga (formiga [hormiga])
    - fumo (fum [humo])
    - fusta (fusta [madera])
    - garrofa (garrofa [algarroba])
    - gayata (gayata [cayado])
    - grau (grau [grado])
    - güitanta [huitanta [ochenta])
    - maitín (matí [mañana])
    - maitinada (matinà [madrugada])
    - melico (melic [ombligo])
    - mengrana (magrana/mangrana [granada])
    - menos (menos/menys(arc.) [menos])
    - mida (mida [medida])
    - millor (millor [mejor])
    - minchar (menjar [comer])
    - misto (misto [cerilla])
    - mocador (mocaor [pañuelo])
    - mondonguilla (mondonguilla [almondiga])
    - moniato (moniato [boniato])
    - monserga (monserga [discurso largo y aburrido])
    - moñaco (monyaco/manyaco [monigote/crio])
    - mos/bos (mos/vos [nos/os])
    - muller (muller [mujer/esposa])
    - naso (nas [nariz])
    - nusatros (mosatros [nosotros])
    - busatros (vosatros [vosotros])
    - onso (orso [oso])
    - parola (paraula [palabra])
    - peix (peix [pez])
    - plegar (aplegar [llegar])
    - plorar (plorar [llorar])
    - poquet (poquet [poquito])
    - pos (pos/puix(arc.) [pues])
    - pozal (poal [cubo])
    - prebar (provar [favorecer])
    - prou (prou [suficiente/bastante])
    - puyar (pujar [subir])
    - qui (qui [quien])
    - res (res [nada])
    - sargantana (sargantana [lagartija])
    - sentir (sentir [oir])
    - setanta (setanta [setenta])
    - setze (setze [dieciseis])
    - sisanta (xixanta [sesenta])
    - sucarrar (socarrar [chamuscar])
    - templau (templat [bien parecido])
    - tío (tio [tío])
    - tornar (tornar [volver])
    - tot (tot [todo])
    - trenta (trenta [treinta])
    - tretze (tretze [trece])
    - trobar (trobar [encontrar])
    - tronada (tronà [tormenta])

  4. #4
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Estas y muchas más aun hoy en día se pueden escuchar en los pueblos de nuestra Serrania.

    (Y esto, nada tiene que ver con la repoblación posterior a Jaime I como desmostró Penyaroya, y posteriormente Cabanes, Huici, Ubieto y demás, ya que como es sabido, muchos pueblos de repoblación aragonesa son de habla valenciana en la actualidad).
    <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://www.gav-valencianistes.com/\">Lo nostre GAV</a>**** <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://www.lenguacatalana.com\">Tot de la \"lengua catalana\"</a>Comprometido con el Derecho a Vivir. http://derechoavivir.org

  5. #5
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Todas las lenguas romances eran originalmente la misma, el latín, y se han ido diferenciando con el tiempo. Por eso el parecido entre catalán y valenciano no es argumento suficiente para hablar de una misma lengua

  6. #6
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Todas las lenguas romances eran originalmente la misma, el latín, y se han ido diferenciando con el tiempo. Por eso el parecido entre catalán y valenciano no es argumento suficiente para hablar de una misma lengua

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    Creuat de lo Regne Avatar de ALQUERIA
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    Cita Iniciado por Vinatea
    Estas y muchas más aun hoy en día se pueden escuchar en los pueblos de nuestra Serrania.

    (Y esto, nada tiene que ver con la repoblación posterior a Jaime I como desmostró Penyaroya, y posteriormente Cabanes, Huici, Ubieto y demás, ya que como es sabido, muchos pueblos de repoblación aragonesa son de habla valenciana en la actualidad).
    Aun que no venga al tema:
    Año 1238
    Reino de Valencia: 120.000 musulmanes; 65.000 cristianos; 3.000 judios (Cap i Casal: 24.500 habitantes)
    Lleida ciudad: 4.000, en aquel tiempo era mas importante que ahora ya que eran aragoneses, hacerse catalanes fue una CAGADA.
    Barcelona en el año 1492 14.000 Habtantes, en 1238 ¿? 3.000 o por exagerar 8.000.
    A ver ¿como pudieron repoblar todo el Reino de Mallorca y el de Valencia?

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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    Ahi mos poem donar conter que les mentires tenen les pates molt curtes.

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    Comandant de lo Regne Avatar de Valencianot
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    ¿Qué no sabeu que anà un cosi de Jaume I a conquistar Asturies?
    Catarroja aigua roja i el moli sense forment i les chiques guapes en Alcasser i Picassent.

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