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    TODOS SOMOS EL PAPA. QUE SALGAN EN DEFENSA DE LA LIBERTAD

    Hoy podemos decir que "TODOS SOMOS EL PAPA", desde ayer que en la oración del viernes se dedicaron a azuzar a los musulmanes contra el Papa, la ofensiva se está intensificando.

    El Papa declaró en su viaje a Alemania sque no se puede mantener el uso de la violencia para imponer unas creencias, en clara alusión a la "Yihad"

    Ayer viernes empezó la bronca.

    Ayer decían que el Papa justificaba las "agresiones" de Israel y EEUU, hoy ya dicen que ha ofendido a los musulmanes.

    Lo seguiremos.

    Pero todos somos el Papa, no es religión es libertad. Ellos nos quieren cortar la cabeza si no nos hacemos musulmanes "por las buenas".

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    vixca el Papa!!!
    Lo único necesario para que el mal triunfe es que los hombres buenos no hagan nada\" Edmund Burke

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    putos moros!!!


    es coña

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    Re: TODOS SOMOS EL PAPA. QUE SALGAN EN DEFENSA DE LA LIBERTA

    Bueno...
    No todos somos el Papa.
    Yo no tengo nada en contra de ese hombre pero desde luego, no soy papista.
    Ni siquiera soy Cristiano.

    Yo pienso que si hay una entidad que no puede hablar de -uso de la violencia para imponer unas creencias-, esa es la Iglesia Cat?lica.
    ?No crees?

    En fin...
    No sou un anticlerical radical ni nada parecido.
    Pero creo que los hechos y la historia estan ahi.
    Y no creo que haya ninguna religion en cuyo nombre se hayan asesinado a mas personas que la religion catolica.

    Es mi humilde opinion.

    VIXCA VALENCIA
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    SuperOfrenar respeto tu opinión pero no la comparto. Tu posición es la misma que la de cualquier progre o guarruzo. Evidentemente no puedo estar de acuerdo contigo. Intentar comparar el catolicismo con el islam o autoproclamarlo como la religión que mas muertos ha causado me resulta patético. Me parece que no estas muy al día. Un saludo.


    PD: “Ni el Islam es una simple religión; ni las mezquitas equivalen a catedrales o iglesias; ni los imanes tienen mucho que ver con los sacerdotes” José Raga.

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    No tengo ningun problema en que digas que mi posicion es la de un progre.
    De hecho quiza lo soy.
    No me importa reconocerlo.

    Ahora.
    Que me digas que es la de un guarruzo ya me toca mas las bolas.
    Que los warros hicieran las banderitas aquellas del "Jo no t.espere" no nos
    convierte en guarruzos a todos los que no aprobamos la forma de actuar que ha tenido siempre (y sigue teniendo) la iglesia catolica.

    No se si estoy o dejo de estar al dia.
    Pero no me iras a negar todas la tropelias cometidas por la iglesia a lo largo de los siglos.
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    nose como pueden ser tan pateticos...
    Los mensajes del Papa son muy claros y no dan lugar a dudas, cualqier persona cn un poko de cabeza los entiende. lo q pasa es q los moros no tienen mas preocupaciones q estar a la espera dq algien diga algo de ellos para iniciar la "guerra" e incitar a la gente del pueblo q no sabe ni leer. q se preocupen de sus problemas y de trabajar!
    ai una palabra q me encanta y q incluso en algunos territorios españoles sigen menospreciando por desconocerla (aunq ese es otro tema)
    DESARROLLO es la palabra..
    AMUNTVCF!!!

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    Entonces si se culpa a la Iglesia d elo que ha pasat fa segles tambe podem tirar la culpa a ZP per lo que va fer franco o algun que atre rey, no?
    Lo único necesario para que el mal triunfe es que los hombres buenos no hagan nada\" Edmund Burke

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    Mensaje borrado
    Última edición por Cmeri; 25/06/2012 a las 00:47

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    yo tambe pense que no tots som el papa, hi ha gent cristiana i gent que no ho es, cada u que escriga la seua postura respectant als demes i no passa res.

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    y me quieres decir superofrenar que por la historia la iglesia ya no tiene derecho a decir nada en pro de la paz? pues a mi parecer es la que mas tiene que decir, puesto que -"de los errores se aprende" y el tiempo que lleva en la vida , debe ser experta en muchos temas.
    al igual que no queremos que los catalanistas nos tapen la boca a nosotros, tampoco la tapemos nosotros a nadie, como tantos quieren taparsela tambien a la iglesia.

    por cierto , el papa anterior ya pidio perdon por ello, (cosa que no entiendo) pq ni es elmismo que habia , ni nosotros eramos tampoco los que habiamos, pero en fin , lo pidio en nombre de la iglesia universal y ya esta bien de reprochar lo mismo cada dia, ¿por que no mirar los colegios que tiene, a los ancianos abandonados que atiende, a los disminuidos , drogadictos, terminales, caritas, misioneros, enfermos... que atiende? eso no se quiere ver verdad?

    enga saludos, y si realmente eres progre.. para mi progresar es buscar el entendimiento entre todos los humanos de la tierra, desprestigiar a un grupo.... eso no es progreso, ya se vivio en muchas ocasiones.
    un saludo!!!

    VIXCA VALENCIA!! VIXCA LA TOLERANCIA!!!

    manda cojones que todos seamos tan chulos en machacar ala iglesia catolica y nadie tenga huevos ni a nombrar a maoma o decir algo sobre el ismal, al final todos moros...
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    Serrania tiene toda l a razón: ya está bien de meterse con la Iglesia Católica!!! en el fondo es todo una campaña orquestada por el PSOE, que es de izquierda radical, y odia la religión católica.

    Sin embargo, el islam que es mucho peor, y sí es realmente radical, racista, machista, etc... nadie lo critica.

    Es acojonante...

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    Ojo.
    Que no niego que nunca se me ocurrira negar las barbaries del Islam.
    Y si ofendi a alguien le pido disculpas.

    Tenemos distintos puntos de vista sobre este tema.

    Y creo que mientras nos mantengamos juntos y firmes frente al NAZIonal-catalanismo, las demas ideas personales no deben importar mucho.
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    ahi esta, y tranqui , estamos para eso para dar diversas opiniones y discutirlas,

    VIXCA VALENCIA!!!
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    Cristiano, induista, agnostico o ateo, incluso musulmán, todos debieran entender y defender lo que ha dicho el Papa.


    Ha hablado de no imponer una creencia utilizando la violencia.


    La iglesia se ha equivocado en el pasado, los hombres que dirigían la iglesia se han equivocado en el pasado ( OJO desde nuestro punto de vista), hay algo claro, no se puede juzgar a un hombre del siglo XIII con los ojos de uno del XXI es absurdo.

    Desde luego hoy, una persona, independientemente de Papa o no Papa, reclama el derecho a que no te maten por creer distinto.

    Eso, seas de la idiología que seas, se debe defender. Creo yo.

    Frente a eso, desde el mundo islámico se está montando una campaña de acoso contra el Papa, pero detrás, subyace otra cosa. El Islam sigue pensando que hoy, en 2006, es legitimo el uso de la violencia contra los infieles si estos no se convierten.

    Un claro ejemplo lo tenemos en el "Al Zarqaui" ese como se llame, en su último comunidado, decía que se ha avisado a occidente de que va por el mal camino, que se debe convertiser al Islam y que si no lo hace, debe atenerse a las consecuencias.

    Según el Islam, antes de asesinar a un infiel debes intentar convertirlo o algo así. Como occidente pasa de sus amenazas, ellos están en su derecho de matarnos. La llamada "Yihad" y en eso están.


    El Papa está defendiendo nuesto derecho a ser o no cristianos, a ser lo que nos plazca.

    La Inquisición, perdona Perofrenar, pero hablamos de varios siglos, ¿te imaginas juzgar a los romanos por el asedio de Numancia y condenarlos por genocidio? Creo que cada cosa debe estar en su contexto histórico.

    Un saludo y encantado de cambiar impresiones.

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