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  1. #1
    Prior de lo Regne Avatar de llunablava
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    pronunciacio

    a vore yo se segur que la paraula PUIX es diu com s'escriu pero m'han dit que tambe es pot pronunciar "pux" o algo paregut pero yo pense que qui me l'ha dit s'ha liat pensant que seguix la mateixa norma que "puig" aixina que si algu no ho pronuncia "puix" que m'heu diga que ya m'han fet dubtar!!
    NO PASSARAN!

    El fascisme vol conquistar Valéncia,

    i Valéncia serà la tomba del fascisme!


    LLUITA I ESTUDIA PEL VALENCIANISME!!

    ACÍ NO ES RENDIX NINGÚ!!!

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    Se diu "pux" (en palatal fricativa -push) encara que n'hi han algunes zones en que se diu "pos" ó "pus".

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    Yo soc mes del Pos i del Pues...

    Peroo suponc que Push... Encara que aixo de enmudeir la I antes de la X no es molt tipic valencià excepte en el dialecte alcanti i en certa mida en el meriodional.. A no ser que la inmudixes per vagancia clar...

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    pos/pues te faran dudar i tindras dudes perque la paraula "puix" no existix ya en llengua valenciana - ningú la diu de forma natural, nomes si l'ha depres estudiant normatives (artificials). Com moltes atres paraules en les que mos tornen tarumbes als valencians, la paraula "puix" es un arcaisme re-introduit que desaparegué fa prou de temps de la llengua valenciana viva.

    “Pos” (del llatí “post”) es conjunció viva d’us pròu normal i generalisat en idioma valencià parlat, mentres que “puix” i “doncs” son formes arcaiques desaparegudes completament de la llengua valenciana viva.

    “Pos” i “pus” (ésta última, forma antiga en idioma valencià), son també conjuncions pròpies de la llengua aragonesa; llengua en característiques afins a les llengües occitanorromàniques, que mantingué fondes interrelacions en la llengua valenciana a lo llarc de molts sigles.

    "IDIOMA VALENCIÀ PARLAT. Nòtes sobre la realitat llingüística valenciana"
    http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...nciaparlat.pdf
    Mireu que dien de "puix" fa ya mes de 100 anys:

    En la escuela que hemos llamado catalana, pueden marcarse perfectamente tres agrupaciones: los 'arcaistas', los 'catalanistas propiamente dichos' y los 'neo-lemosines'. [...] hay quien llena sus escritos de arcaismos, y no por ignorancia o descuido, sino a ciencia cierta y convencido de que asi contribuye mejor al renacimiento de nuestra lengua. No es dificil encontrar en escritos de hoy 'chor, quadro, quento, llunyadá, venerabil, realme, regina, inimich, palpebra, puix, car (porque), sua (seua), null, bastir, fonch (del verbo ser), trametre, embaumar’ [...]

    [APUNTES PARA UNA GRAMATICA VALENCIANA POPULAR, José Nebot Pérez, p. 189, Valencia 1894]
    En llengua valenciana, POS, pos es lo que mes lis fot als catalanistes (ya que "puix" tambe està en la normativa catalana, mentres que "pos" no)

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    MOSATROS, ¿vosotros los que sabeis, estais preparando algo para dejarlos en pelotas de una puta vez?

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    Yo la dic conforme s'escriu: "puish". Ya que eixa paraula no l'he depres mai, pero és valenciana al 100% per molt que els catalans l'hagen agarrat.
    No entenc per qué tenim que deixar de nomenar una paraula que mos l'hagen furtat els catalans... Seguint la mateixa llinea, deuriem de desfer-mos dels nostres classics ya que tambe mos els furtaren els catalans. ¿No?
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    valencianot,

    en tota cordialitat, crec que deuries pensar millor lo que dius, o escrius, perque els teus arguments son magnifics pa clavarmos la catalanisacio hasda el fondo:

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    No entenc per qué tenim que deixar de nomenar una paraula que mos l'hagen furtat els catalans... Seguint la mateixa llinea, deuriem de desfer-mos dels nostres classics ya que tambe mos els furtaren els catalans. ¿No?
    Nosaltres, vosaltres = classic valencià
    Altre, altra, altres = classic valencià
    Aquest, aquesta, aquests, aquestes = classic valencià

    ¿ com heu veus ?
    ¿ Agarrem tambe tots estos arcaismes - com "puix" - que tambe son paraules "valencianes" i classic valencians com tu dius ?
    ¿ O deixem de costat els arcaismes desapareguts de la llengua valenciana i gastem les paraules evolucionaes vives actuals ?

    Mosatros, vosatros, atre, atra, este, esta, pos...

    Tu voras que es millor

    P.d.: per cert, "nomenar" vol dir "nombrar/referir", per eixemple: Aço que mos contes ya heu va nomenar sa mare l'atre dia". Crec que en la teua frase aniria millor el verp "gastar" o "utilisar, usar" etc...

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    Tened en cuenta una cosa; el valenciano antiguo aunque mantenia las formas arcaicas (aquest,altre,nosaltres...) no era catalan,porque nunca lo ha sido.
    Por ejemplo,en NINGUN texto de valenciano clasico encontrareis las formas catalanas como "avui"...ni "si us plau" ...ni "trucar",porque eso forma parte de otra evolución provenzal que adoptó el catalan oriental.
    En aquella epoca las lenguas neolatinas se parecian mucho mas entre si,que ahora.

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    MOSATROS, ¿vosotros los que sabeis, estais preparando algo para dejarlos en pelotas de una puta vez?
    gracies per la part que me toca. La cosa està prou fotua pero poquet a poquet anirem fent cami. Es un treball en el que tots contem. Per aixo es bo pendre interes i dependre cada dia una coseta. La vitat mos fara lliures i el coneiximent forts davant del catalanisme.

    Te recomane esta pagina a on trobaras uns quants llibres valencianistes debaes molt interessants:

    http://www.idiomavalencia.com/vtituls.htm

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    valencianot,

    en tota cordialitat, crec que deuries pensar millor lo que dius, o escrius, perque els teus arguments son magnifics pa clavarmos la catalanisacio hasda el fondo:

    Cita Iniciado por Valencianot
    ...
    No entenc per qué tenim que deixar de nomenar una paraula que mos l'hagen furtat els catalans... Seguint la mateixa llinea, deuriem de desfer-mos dels nostres classics ya que tambe mos els furtaren els catalans. ¿No?
    Nosaltres, vosaltres = classic valencià
    Altre, altra, altres = classic valencià
    Aquest, aquesta, aquests, aquestes = classic valencià

    ¿ com heu veus ?
    ¿ Agarrem tambe tots estos arcaismes - com "puix" - que tambe son paraules "valencianes" i classic valencians com tu dius ?
    ¿ O deixem de costat els arcaismes desapareguts de la llengua valenciana i gastem les paraules evolucionaes vives actuals ?

    Mosatros, vosatros, atre, atra, este, esta, pos...

    Tu voras que es millor

    P.d.: per cert, "nomenar" vol dir "nombrar/referir", per eixemple: Aço que mos contes ya heu va nomenar sa mare l'atre dia". Crec que en la teua frase aniria millor el verp "gastar" o "utilisar, usar" etc...
    MOSATROS, la catalanisacio ya està per desgracia i no gracies a mi...

    A vore, sobre agarrar o no arcaismes, ¿acas tenim que rebujar que eixes paraules són valencianes "nosaltres, vosaltres, altre, altra, altres, aquest, aquesta, aquests, aquestes, puix, etc..." o renegar d'elles com a classiques valencianes? ¿Per qué dius que són "valencianes" entre cometes? ¿Acas són catalanes o CLASSIQUES VALENCIANES?

    Una cosa és agarrar paraules vives i actuals com, mosatros, vosatros, natros, vatros, atre i derivats, etc... que són GENUINES valencianes, i atra cosa és agarrar-ne d'atra llengua paraules que la llengua valenciana ya ne té.
    Per eixemple, ¿per qué tinc que utilisar "entonses" per molt que siga la parlà si YA NE TINC UNA GENUINA VALENCIANA com "llavors"? En català és "aleshores".
    Si veus mal que a la llengua valenciana li estiguen incorporant paraules genuines catalanes tens que vore mal tambe que paraules castellanes fagen pedre paraules valencianes suplantant-les.
    Entre la castellanisacio i la catalanisacio la llengua valenciana es quedarà com a un dialecte del català i del castellà, perque si la gent diu "entonses" i la joventut catalanisà diu "aleshores", segons tu, les tindriem que acatar perque és lo que parla el poble, ¿no?
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    Yo mai he gastat "puix", de fet no sabia ni que existia le descubrit grasies a vosatros. Asi en la comarca del Turia diguem pues o pos.
    Puix yo diria que esta morta y a caigut en desus no?

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    Morta nose,el valencià es molt extes, pero yo tampoc he gastat mai el Puix.

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    No es tracta de que les gastem a l'hora de parlar, tot lo món sap que per a parlar castellanisem. Lo que tindriem que fer és recuperar-les.

    Aci ningu diu "manco", pero l'escriu, diguem "menos" pero tinguent com tenim una paraula genuina valenciana com "manco", ¿per qué tenim que utilisar "menos" per molt que s'utilise a l'hora de parlar?
    Ho vaig a dir d'atra forma, si s'acepta "menos" que és castellà per al valencià, se tindria que aceptar el "menys" català ya que els jovens tambe ho gasten. ¿És o no?
    O recuperem les paraules genuines valencianes o farem pedre-les.
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    Mai e sentit dir a ningun valencianoparlant dir "menys" i si eu diuen es perque estan catalanisats. Perque de sempre els nostres auelos ya dien menos y ellos son els que realment parlen el valencià correcte.

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    Mai e sentit dir a ningun valencianoparlant dir "menys" i si eu diuen es perque estan catalanisats. Perque de sempre els nostres auelos ya dien menos y ellos son els que realment parlen el valencià correcte.
    Puix yo conegui a al pare de mon yayo, el meu besyayo, i dia "manco" en lloc de "menos". Las castellanisacio tambe avança.
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