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La Clau del Nacionalisme i el funcionament valencianiste.

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Tema: La Clau del Nacionalisme i el funcionament valencianiste.

  1. #1
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    La Clau del Nacionalisme i el funcionament valencianiste.

    L'atre dia, parli en un amic sobre este tema...
    Quan dic nacionalisme no dic independentisme, vull dir la terminacio -isme

    (Galicisme o com es diga, vasquisme, catalanisme, valencianisme, asturianisme....)

    La clau del exit de estos moviments, siguen o no independentistes, foralistes o de tot un poc.. No es la esquerra que tants se pensen...
    Sino el centre i la dreta!

    Anem als digam mes populars:

    Galicia > PNG > Centre
    Euskadi > PNV > Centre-dreta
    Catalunya > CiU > Centre-dreta
    Canaries > CC (Coalición Cnaria) > Centre-liberalisme
    Valencia > Cva (en ascens) > Centre-dreta

    I ara anem als partits del -isme manco populars i/o en decadencia:

    Asturies > Andecha Astur > Esquerra
    Asturies > Unidá Nacionalista Asturiana > Esuqerra
    Andalusia > Partido Andalucista > Esuqerra
    Catalunya > ERC > Esquerra
    Aragó > Chunta Aragonesista > Socialista (Esquerra)
    Valencia > UV > Esquerra

    Bueno, a lo millor vos extranya pero.. En realitat ERC va en decadencia.. No te tant poder com pareix... (Vixca les coalicions.. ¿No?)

    Si se fixeu els que tenen poc poder i estan en decadencia son d'Esquerres i els que tenen mes poder/representacio i van en aument son de centre-dreta.

    Interessant... molt interesant..


    I un atra cosa respecte al funcionament del valencianisme.

    Sabem perfectament que el valencianisme està dividit en varios grups.. Per a moltissimes coses no impota esta divisio pero..

    Estos grups casi que es dividixen en dos grups politics..
    Coalicio Valenciana i Unio Valenciana, els de mes ya ni contarlos...

    A qualsevol nivell la separacio no influix casi ya que cada u pot contribuir de la forma que vullga i fer unions i coses junts pero...

    A nivell politic, el que Coalicio Valenciana i Unio Valenciana estiguen separats.. Mos ve molt mal...

    El que mes s'ha guanyat aixo de estar en el lloc de "Valencianiste" es el partit politic Coalicio Valenciana, despues de la caiguda del historic i tan important Unio Valenciana pero...

    Unio valenciana encara recivix votos... de grups com PJV o Enkara per eixemple..

    I a part de una unio en coalicio, no n'hi ha ninguna forma de unio valencianista a nivell politic??

  2. #2
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    Encà no ha dit ningu res..

    ¿Que vos pareix?

  3. #3
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    Realment es molt interessant lo q dies, molt molt interessant, e parlat moltes vegas de lo q has dit: de lo q antenem com a nacionalisme i qué paper pot representar ara la esquerra..

    Lo q veig esq la esqerra cà vegà se fa una miqueta més propera a una política de centre, es un fet curiós, i estem deixant el nacionalisme de veritat de la mà de les oplitiques de dretes, de veritat q m´has fet vore les coses q pensaba pero no conseguia vore-lo bé..

    I en relació al valencianisme de hui crec q necesitem una espenta política q mos llançe a una emisió de conciencia més propera a la gent, per crec que açò arribara pronte..

    Aixó grasies per les teues paraules q de debó son molt encertaes i pero lo manco per a mi si q me han servit per a vore les coses en una nova evolució..

    Amunt el nostre valencianisme!!! VIXCA COALICIÒ VALENCIANA!!
    -- VIXCA LO NOSTRE REGNE DE VALÉNCIA..!! EN LA VERITAT LLUITEM CONTRA L´EXPANSIONISME CATALANISTA...!
    -- EL CENTENAR DE LA PLOMA S´ALÇA PER LA DEFENSA DE LA SEUA TERRA, LA NOSTRA VALÉNCIA, CAP Y CASSAL DE LO REGNE..

  4. #4
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    Vec un bon futur pa Coalicio. Pero encara aixina... Cada gra d'arena es molt important.. Se presentà per primera vegà a les eleccions en 2007 i va traure molts vots la veritat.. La quarta força valenciana!!!

    Pero crec, que si a lo millor s'unix Coalicio Valenciana formant una Coalicio en atres partits com UV o ONV i tal.. Fent contes me'n ix:

    Cv > 17.305
    Uv > 8.472
    UxV > 2.485

    I crec que ya no en trobe mes..
    Que serien en votos:

    Total > 28.262

    Ara baixali uns quants votos perque UxV a cada any te manco votos
    Pero afegixli uns quants perque Cva va aconseguint terreny.

    Ara, per provincies:

    Coalicio Valenciana:

    Castello > 1.662
    Alacant > 1.308
    Valencia > 14.335

    Unio Valenciana:

    Castello > 1.542
    Alacant > 8.472
    Valencia > 12.601

    Bueno, de Valencia s'extrauen uns 17 mil votos valencianistes.
    de Alacant uns 9.800 votos
    i de Castello, la situacio es critica, 3.100 votos.

    Yo crec que com ya estem veguent, l'esquerra pert pes i per tant Unio Valenciana pert pes, cosa que mos ve molt mal en Alacant principalment, lo que yo crec que es que Cva tindria que intentar donarse a coneixer per tota la Comunitat i Unio Valenciana intentar mantindre's en el seu puesto.. I no li vindria mal aconseguir mes votos en Valencia provincia...

    No se com heu vegueu :S

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Re: La Clau del Nacionalisme i el funcionament valencianiste

    Un detalle: En Galicia, el partido nacionalista más popular es el BNG, que actualmente está controlado por la UPG (Unión do Povo Galego), que se auto-consideran marxistas. Es por tanto el BNG un partido de izquierdas.

    En la Comunidad Valenciana, nos guste o no, el partido nacionalista más poderoso es el BLOC, aunque sea de corte catalanista. el BNG también tiene corrientes lusistas y no por ello lo obviamos, las cosas como son, algun dia los superaremos.

    CVa no va en ascenso, no tenemos datos correlativos para cotejarlos. Lo único que tenemos son los resultados en las últimas elecciones locales, autonómicas nacionales y europeas, donde CVa ha pasado respectivamente del 0.94% al 0.72%, al 0.20% y a pedir abstención en las últimas. No creo que sea correcto decir que va en ascenso.

    También veo que consideras a Unión Valenciana un partido de izquierdas, avísame cuando UV lleve en su programa la economía planificada, el aborto libre y gratuito, la laicidad del estado, la propiedad colectiva... Unión Valenciana es y ha sido un partido profundamente conservador, al menos en estatutos.

    Tanto la PJV como Enkara son cuatro gatos que caben en un taxi, sus votos ya no importan a nadie. Los nacionalistas poco a poco han ido comulgando con ruedas de molino y ahora la mayoría o votan o simpatizan con el BLOC, como Chovi o Pere Palés, por lo que ni los contamos. Y actualmente UV también va en esa dirección, sólo hay que ver cómo ultimamente se ha declarado nacionalista (Héctor Villalba debe de estar bien contento) y el lenguaje que gasta, dentro de nada junto a ONV serán una corriente del BLOC, aunque sigan defendiendo el valenciano genuíno (en el BNG por ejemplo conviven lusistas, reintegracionistas, aislacionistas linguisticos...). Debemos asumir que todo el nacionalismo ha sido y será siempre catalanista, por tanto no podemos contar con ellos.

    Qué nos queda entonces? Potenciar el mensaje regionalista valenciano, el que ahora mismo lleva CV y es muy similar a la UV de hace una década que le permitió tener el 11% de votos y acceder al poder. Olvídate de juntar y convencer a los cuatro renegados que quedan y que están ya con un pié en el catalanismo y centrémonos en potenciar el discurso que sabemos que tiene éxito. CV representa el valencianismo más puro y de más éxito

  6. #6
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    un bon analisis,

    a CV nomes li demanaria una coseta, que fera els comunicats tambe en llengua valenciana. Ultimament esta deixant de costat la llengua valenciana ¿ som billingües no ? Es que queda molt lleig i poc creible que un partit que diu ser valencianiste no faça un us normal i regular de la llengua valenciana (no dic que deixe de costat al castellà, pero tampoc al valencià)

  7. #7
    Coronel de lo Regne
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    Soles dir, que CV en les votacions del 2007, va traure vora 24.000 vots ( En tots els vots, de les municipals), no 17.000..... UV, va traure 14.000, ya que vora 7.000 en Alacant, vingueren dels Verts Ecopacifistes.....pero bo, llevant d'aixo, dir, que hi ha que ser serios......ONV, fa cosetes en ACPV, aixina que me pareix ridicul ficarlo en el sac del valencianisme i UV, ya ha dit tres vegaes que no vol l'unitat del Valencianisme, aixina que me pareix igual de ridicul, continuar parlant del tema de l'unitat,............yo per lo manco, lo tinc clar, treballare a mort en CV.


    PD: Valencia es llengua.......no se com no veus que UV no vol pactes en CV, aixina que lo millor, es treballar cada uno desde el partit que mes li agrade a uno i dixar de marejar, en pactes i unitats, que no se poden fer, perque hi ha gent, que no vol ferles. Si tan interesat estas en l'unitat, no ho fiques totes les semanes aci, vas i sel comentes a Miralles, que tu ya saps, que mos ha dit 3 vegaes que no a CV.

  8. #8
    Coronel de lo Regne
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    CV, fa a monto de comunicats en Valencia, es mes, les JJCV, sempre els fa en Valencia.......i si no se fan mes, es perque la prensa, a soles trau els comunicats que estan en la normativa de la AVL o en Castella........pero bo, este tema ya se ha explicat, vora 50 vegaes.

  9. #9
    Mestre de lo Regne
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    UV a soles vol pactar en el PP. Pera traure profit. La unica posibilitat que hi ha es que el valencianisme se junte en un partit o que es donen conter, que CV es la millor i unica opcio. El millor posicionat es CV, sense dubte.

  10. #10
    Tinent de lo Regne
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    La cosa, esque es una pena que se'n vagen tants votos probablement valencianistes a UV pa que no faça res.. ixa es la coseta..

    I el BLOC si que va en descens, si mires les localitats en regidors i alcaldies del BLOC, cada volta n'hi han manco, n'hi haven moltissims mes antes.

  11. #11
    Tinent de lo Regne
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    Pd: Yo posava a ONV com a "valencianiste" pel simple fet de que heu posava en la uiquipedia en valencià, i heu vaig discutir en administraors i tal... i pensarem en dixarlo en valencianiste pero prop a la tercera via (BLOC)... Punt intermig.

  12. #12
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    Atra cosa mes, no cal buscar eleccions ni votos electorals ni res per a vore que Cva està en ascens. S'esforça moltissim, i ya es cada volta mes conegut i mes recolzat, molts "Unio valencianistes" s'estan passant a Coalicio Valenciana, s'està donant a coneixer i treballa moltissim, que aixo es molt important.

    I ya veus els votos que va traure nomes naixer... Aixina que imagina't d'aci a uns anys.

    No dic que en les proximes eleccions autonmiques vaja a guanyar... Es casi imposible, pero crec que si aconseguirà entrar a les corts o com siga aixo.. escanys o com collons es diga...

    Que per ara soles tenen PSOE, PP i Compromis (EU, Verts, BLOC.. tots els votos son de EU pero bueno..) i que podria conseguir Cva en les proximes eleccions.. En que n'hi haixca una chicoteta representaqcio del valencianisme en les Corts, crec que mos vindrà molt be, i en ixe moment es quan si que va a ascender de forma voluminosa

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