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Per a Guillem i en especial per a tots

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  1. #1
    Senescal de lo Regne Avatar de ratblau
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    Per a Guillem i en especial per a tots

    fa uns dies vaig contestar,en el fil Yo no compre llibres catalanistes un poc a miges a Guillem, un nou vingut, que explicava lo següent:
    Jo tinc els cinc volums de l'edició facsímil del Tirant editats per Editorial Barcino (de Barcelona).
    Me'ls estime molt (no tan sols per la qualitat de l'edició sinó perquè és un regal) i no els puc compartir però, per si us interessa, he revisat el Pròleg i hi posa, literalment, açò:
    «(...)m'atreviré expondre, no solament de llengua anglesa en portuguesa, mas encara de portuguesa en vulgar valenciana, per ço que la nació d'on io só natural se'n puixa alegrar»

    Cordialment,
    Guillem
    Per falta de temps no vaig poder contestar en documents lo que volia, pero hui he tengut un poc mes de temps i vaig a explicar-ho, o simplement demostrar-ho.
    Resulta, que si es de veres que en casi totes les edicions del Tirant apareix dita frase (dic casi totes per que son moltes les que existixen i simplement unes poques, que casualment son obligades per a la llectura en les classes de Campstala), pero una senya a tindre en conte, es que totes les edicions que amaguen la H de Tirant, mostren ademes certes imperfeccions o correccions dins dels escrits, seent aixina obres manipulades en l'ampli sentit de la paraula, manco que en ell aparega una rao per la qual han segut rectificades o corregides dites paraules.
    Aixina tenim a l'alcanç de tots, una edicio digitalisada en la que mos trobem esta frase
    m'atreviré expondre, no solament de llengua anglesa en portuguesa, mas encara de portuguesa en vulgar valenciana, per ço que la nació d'on jo só natural se'n puixa alegrar e molt ajudar per los tants e tan insignes actes com hi són;
    Recorde certa edicio feta pel Levante que tenia les mateixes grafies.
    Pedro si mirem l'obra original que se troba per eixemple en l'universitat de Valencia i que està digitalisada en la Biblioteca Cervantes Cervantes mos trobarem en esta diferencia
    Me atrevire expondre: no solamént de llengua anglesa en portuguesa.Mas encara de portuguesa en vulgar valénciana: perço de la nacio don yo so natural se puxa alegrar e molt aiudar per los tàts e tà insignes actes coz hi son
    La diferencia es prou gran, encara que no heu parega, pero resulta un tant curios, que Joanot Martorell ya escrivia per eixemple el YO en Y i que hui en dia els pancatalanistes mos vullguen impondre el JO.
    I es que no entenc el per que corrigen esta obra, deixant certes paraules i no el traduïxen directament al català, aixina com han fet atres autors al castellà, angles, italià... ¿no sera que heu fan en mala fe?
    Deixe per a qui li interesse el buscar mes diferencies entre l'obra original i les restants.
    En temps d'engany Universal, dir la veritat es convertix en un acte Revolucionari.

    ALEDUA


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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    Buff...pues no solo Joanot Martorell.Por documentación,nos podemos remontar hasta el siglo XIII en el romanç valenciano con el autentico pronombre -yo y en siglos después:
    "ço es yo" (AHN,Perg.,Mon.de Benifassá,1290)
    "yo vos serviré" (ARV,MR,Nº 9.600,f.81v.,137
    "perque yo" (ARV,GOB,nº 4.255,1429)
    "yo sia bo" (ARV,Cancilleria Real,Carta de L.Pardo a su padre,1433)
    "yo conega" (Martorell,J.,Tirant,c.1490)
    "yo continue" (Villena,i.,Vita Christi,1497)
    "fent yo" (Gaçull,La Brama,1561)
    etc...

    Los catalanistas tienen que manipular hasta a los muertos,es increible.

  3. #3
    Fiscal de lo Regne Avatar de 1245
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    Que gran Ratblau, en tu sempre se deprenen coses noves

  4. #4
    Fiscal de lo Regne Avatar de Fayostros
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    Buff...pues no solo Joanot Martorell.Por documentación,nos podemos remontar hasta el siglo XIII en el romanç valenciano con el autentico pronombre -yo y en siglos después:
    "ço es yo" (AHN,Perg.,Mon.de Benifassá,1290)
    "yo vos serviré" (ARV,MR,Nº 9.600,f.81v.,137
    "perque yo" (ARV,GOB,nº 4.255,1429)
    "yo sia bo" (ARV,Cancilleria Real,Carta de L.Pardo a su padre,1433)
    "yo conega" (Martorell,J.,Tirant,c.1490)
    "yo continue" (Villena,i.,Vita Christi,1497)
    "fent yo" (Gaçull,La Brama,1561)
    etc...

    Los catalanistas tienen que manipular hasta a los muertos,es increible.

    Gracies Lobivalentian, en realitat la manipulacio de nostres classics està per desgracia a l'orde del dia en els coleges.

    La denuncia d'estos fets, es una de les maneres mes incontestables de que s'està manipulant l'historia i contant mentires a nostres fills.

    Qui ho diría, en les escoles s'ensenyen mentires...

    "Los fascistas del futuro, se llamarán a sí mismos antifascistas."
    Winston Churchill

  5. #5
    Senescal de lo Regne Avatar de ratblau
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    gracies Lobi, aixo si es documentar.
    Pero... deixe la pregunta en l'aire.
    Si traduïxen paraules i incorporen noves formes... ¿aixo no es manipulacio?
    Yo he llegit el Quixot, el Mio Cid... en castellà antic, i mai he vist estes coses. ¿per que si heu veig en les obres dels nostres classics?
    En temps d'engany Universal, dir la veritat es convertix en un acte Revolucionari.

    ALEDUA


  6. #6
    Varó de lo Regne
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    Perque els classics son una ferramenta mes per a la consecució de les seues imposicions fascistes. Que una paraula en valencià antic es igual que la forma catalana atual puix la conserven. Que la forma classica valenciana es distinta de la corresponent catalana puix a la foguera en ella. I el que la utilisse serà suspés per el tribunal fascistoide eixe anomenat "junta qualificadora" en la que aniuen rates catalanistes de ascendencia foranea que pretenen ensenyarmos a parlar als valencians.

    EDITE. De totes formes açó que els pantumaques se creuen que es un gran descobriment es la forma mes facil de llevarlos la caraceta ad estos manipulaors.
    ¡GERMANS DE BREGA!

    FRONT A L'IMPERIALISME CATALÁ

    JOVENS LLIURES VALENCIANS

    RESISTENCIA VALENCIANA

    UNIXTE A MOSATROS

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    Fiscal de lo Regne Avatar de 1245
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    Buff...pues no solo Joanot Martorell.Por documentación,nos podemos remontar hasta el siglo XIII en el romanç valenciano con el autentico pronombre -yo y en siglos después:
    "ço es yo" (AHN,Perg.,Mon.de Benifassá,1290)
    "yo vos serviré" (ARV,MR,Nº 9.600,f.81v.,137
    "perque yo" (ARV,GOB,nº 4.255,1429)
    "yo sia bo" (ARV,Cancilleria Real,Carta de L.Pardo a su padre,1433)
    "yo conega" (Martorell,J.,Tirant,c.1490)
    "yo continue" (Villena,i.,Vita Christi,1497)
    "fent yo" (Gaçull,La Brama,1561)
    etc...

    Los catalanistas tienen que manipular hasta a los muertos,es increible.



  8. #8
    Tinent de lo Regne
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    Si se dedicaren escriure en conte de copiar i retocar, a lo millor d'aci 100 anys podrien tindre any d'Or de lladrits.

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