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    L'historiador que va dir que Colon era català torna a parlar

    ‘El seseo que se da como un rasgo lingüístico en todos los países americanos de habla española sólo puede provenir del hecho de que los primeros pobladores fueran catalanes y hablasen en catalán’

    Jordi Bilbeny, historiador que asegura que Colón era catalán, Cervantes valenciano y que El Quijote y El Lazarillo de Tormes se escribieron originalmente en catalán; en un libro El dedo de Colón, presentado el 20 de abril de 2010 en Barcelona.

    ‘El seseo que se da como un rasgo lingüístico en todos los países americanos de habla española sólo puede provenir del hecho de que los primeros pobladores fueran catalanes y hablasen en catalán’.
    http://www.vozbcn.com/2010/04/20/161...en-en-catalan/


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    Ya tinc la noticia de hui, mare de deu, te algun tipo de feficiencia este home??
    perque mira si era catalan mira

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    Entonces Canarias es conquista y repoblación catalana en lugar de castellana ¿no?

    Y los archivos mienten. Por eso hay que volver a escribir 500 años de archivos.

    Seguro que Simancas es un archivo original catalán, que viene de 'Si mangas' y por eso, el nombre del pueblo. Y el de las indias también lo montaron unos catalanes que estaban haciendo el indio por Andalucía.

    Además todo elmundo sabe que Sevilla es una ciudad conquistada a los moros por catalanes que estaban alistados en las tropas castellanas, por eso la feria de abril que montan todos los años en Cataluña la exportaron a Sevilla, donde también montan otra y el acento andaluz es su forma de hablar catalán..



    'Estan locos estos...' catalanes.



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    Re: L'historiador que va dir que Colon era català torna a pa

    Cita Iniciado por El Iluminado Subnormal imperialista de Jordi Bilbeny, exportador de lenguas entonces inexistentes y experimentador jilipoyas doctorado de la einsténica Teoría de la Relatividad
    ‘El sexeo que se da como un rasgo lingüístico en todos los puntos de la anatomía humana, que igual puede ser "cunilingüístico" o felático, dependiendo del sexo de la pareja ... Sólo puede provenir del hecho de que el autor del Kamasutra fuera catalán’ ... (Blasito, tráeme ya la coca que ya estoy perdiendo la inspiración ...)
    Pero vamos a ver ... ¿Cómo me puedo creer esto si en cierta Web panca que nos conocemos, se pasan la vida matandose a pajas?

    Es inconcebible ...

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    Re: L'historiador que va dir que Colon era català torna a pa

    Cita Iniciado por 1245
    ‘El seseo que se da como un rasgo lingüístico en todos los países americanos de habla española sólo puede provenir del hecho de que los primeros pobladores fueran catalanes y hablasen en catalán’

    Jordi Bilbeny, historiador que asegura que Colón era catalán, Cervantes valenciano y que El Quijote y El Lazarillo de Tormes se escribieron originalmente en catalán; en un libro El dedo de Colón, presentado el 20 de abril de 2010 en Barcelona.

    ‘El seseo que se da como un rasgo lingüístico en todos los países americanos de habla española sólo puede provenir del hecho de que los primeros pobladores fueran catalanes y hablasen en catalán’.
    http://www.vozbcn.com/2010/04/20/161...en-en-catalan/


    jajajajjaaj Este tio yo no se pa obri la boca perque pa dir estes gilipoyaes millor quedarse callaet
    Gav Gandia

    GAV des de 1977 fent valencianisme y mes forts que mai...

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    al principi pensaba que era conya.
    Bilbeny gracies de toto cor. Gracies per ser la prova de que l'imperialisme pancatalaniste es una patología en diferents graus, pero tan descavellà es esta bobá del bilbeny com la falsa "corona catalano-aragonesa" que ensenyen als nostres chiquets en els coleges de panCAMPS.

    Bilbeny = SUBNORMAL
    CAMPS= porrito en mans del anatisme catalaniste
    CAMPS = porrito d'un tall de subnormals.

    PP=NIU DE RATES CATALANISTES.
    Perque les tesis que imperen en el PArtit Popular son les mateixes que imperen en la "hoja de RUTA" del catalanisme mes radical.
    ¡GERMANS DE BREGA!

    FRONT A L'IMPERIALISME CATALÁ

    JOVENS LLIURES VALENCIANS

    RESISTENCIA VALENCIANA

    UNIXTE A MOSATROS

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    Ara faran algun chanchullo politic en Sud America, els colaran el idioma fabria i d'aci poquet els inclouran en els pastisos cagalans.


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    ajajajajaj La veritat és que m'ho pase bomba en esta gent. xD
    Historia no tindran, pero historietes per a contar contes i noveles ne'n tenen per a fer a cabaços i damunt tirarien per terra el Harry Potter a nivell mundial.
    Catarroja aigua roja i el moli sense forment i les chiques guapes en Alcasser i Picassent.

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    Re: L'historiador que va dir que Colon era català torna a pa

    Jordi Bilbeny, historiador que asegura que Colón era catalán, Cervantes valenciano y que El Quijote y El Lazarillo de Tormes se escribieron originalmente en catalán...

    Clar, Alcalà de Henares es una colonia valenciana...
    S\'esta formant un Gav a la Valldigna.Si tens el cor bategant al so del tabalet, el blau de nostra senyera en la sanc, la dolçaina sonant en els teus oits i el parlar valencià en els llavis...Vine! Pots contactar enviant un privat

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    pero este tio que es ¿historiador o humorista?

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    Uy quin tio més raro... Anem perparts.

    Lo primer és sobre Colon, la veritat és que no se sap l'orige de Colon, n'hi han teories que diuen que era català, atres que eren del nort d'Itàlia, atres que era mallorquí, atres que era gallec, atres que era portugués.. En fi, que n'hi han moltes teories, no conec cap d'elles ni els seus fonaments.

    Lo de que Cervantes era valencià crec que era dir massa, segurament va tindre certes relacions en Valéncia i la llengua valenciana, el llibre del Quixote està bassat en el llibre valencià Tirant Lo Blanch.

    El Lazarillo de Tormes yo tinc entés que és lliteratura lleonesa, de Salamanca, ciutat per la que pasa el riu Tormes... No n'hi ha molt que afegir.

    I després lo de que els colons europeus en América eren catalans no té cap sentit, ya s'estan pensant atra volta que els catalans s'expandiren ya no només per mig mediterràneu, sino també per América... No té sentit perque els llinages d'Amèrica són castellans, en la seua majoria, n'hi han més llinages eusquèrics que catalans, dels quals els suposts "catalans" són valencians (Recordem que Ferrer o Fuster no són catalans, són valencians, els catalans serien Ferré o Farré i Fusté).

    Lo del seseu té una explicació, en castellà antic no se diferenciaven la C/Z de la S, al igual que en valencià, lo que pasa és que en valencià totes les pronunciem com una /s/, mentres que en castellà ho pronunciaven com una Z vasca (que és com una S pero acostant més la llengua al paladar), so que actualment no existix en castellà, i en valencià tampoc el tenim per eixemple.

    En el canvi fonètic del castellà, este so es va convertir per una part en l'actual so de la Z castellana (/th/) i per atra en la S tal i com la gastem els valencians.

    En Andalusia la Z vasca va derivar en S en tots els cassos i és l'influència andalusa la que va fer que en els països americans se parle en seseu.

    També pot ser que els fills dels natius (ya que en molts casos anaven colons a amèrica, violaven a dones i tornaven a Europa, vamos, una temporadeta de vacacions i deixant descendència i llinage) al no deprendre el castellà directament del pare, heretaren la forma de parlar materna, que potser no sabien pronunciar la Z castellana (cosa que encara passa en moltes persones majors valencianes que no saben pronunciar la Z castellana).

    Per tant, relació en Catalunya, cap.

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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    En historiaors com eixe,dasta JesuCrist era catalá també

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    En Andalusia la Z vasca va derivar en S en tots els cassos i és l'influència andalusa la que va fer que en els països americans se parle en seseu.
    Yo tenia entes que era per l'influencia canaria
    NO PASSARAN!

    El fascisme vol conquistar Valéncia,

    i Valéncia serà la tomba del fascisme!


    LLUITA I ESTUDIA PEL VALENCIANISME!!

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    Els colons que arribaven a canàries eren principalment andalusos i portuguesos

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    Valencia es llengua, t´has deixat una en quan a Colón, segons diuen era genovés. Pero en quan ad este tio nomes fa que dir bovaes per a fer el cul gros als nacionalistes catalans.

    Yo crec que segons ell quan Colón arribà a America ya estava un catala ballant la sardana i en una barretina.

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