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¿Quina es la verdadera bandera de Catalunya?

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  1. #1
    Senescal de lo Regne Avatar de ratblau
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    ¿Quina es la verdadera bandera de Catalunya?

    Fa uns dies vaig comentar (sense malicsia)sobre el articul de l'incombustible Mª Teresa Puerto dient que m'havia pillat un tros de l'articul que duya entre mans, pero aixina i tot espere que vos agrade.

    ¿Quina es la verdadera Bandera Catalana?


    Se que ad estes altures tots manco Quico teniu molt clar quina es l'autentica bandera catalana i quina no, pero com be diu Quico, n'hi ha que demostrar lo que se diu, per que si no, podem caure en l'erro de repetir una mentira que ademes, pot ser tant repetida i falsa com la llegenda de Wilfred, que fon reconeguda com a llegenda en els anys noranta pel pancatalanisme, despres de ser demostrada per molts estudiosos la seua falsetat.

    Pero... ¿quina era realment la bandera Catalana i per que hem tingut que aguantar tantes i tantes mentires?
    En primer lloc, soles tinc una curiositat, si realment esta era la bandera Catalana, ¿per que Montanyer i Desclot, grans amants de Catalunya no parlen mai d'ella? I si fon un regal fet per Ramon Berenguer a Arago, ¿per que no apareix en cap cronica?
    Recorde fa molts anys una frase que se repetia sempre en tots els foros, i que casualment he trobat hostajada en el Blog de Quico, "No només me pensi que cap galera ni cap atre vaixell gosarà anar per mar sense l'ensenya del rei d'Aragó (...), sinó que no crec que cap peix se gosi alçar sobre en mar si no porta les quatre barres de Catalunya a sa cua, per mostrar guiatge des meu noble senyor, el rei d'Aragó i de Sicília." Roger de Llúria (Cadaques quatre de setembre de 1285).
    Es curios, que un dia en Cadaques me vaig trobar este taulellet, a on no apareix per a res el nom de Catalunya.
    Pero, clar, estic segur que aixo pot ser una mala interpretacio feta pel mateix home que va fer el taulellet. Segurament el pobre home no havia llegit mai la Cronica de Desclot, pero... ¿Quico , i els demes pancatalanistes que se senten orgullosos de ficar esta frase per tots els llocs, si?
    Anem a vore qui es realment el que ha mentit, voluntaria o involuntariament.
    Aci vos deixe la fulla manuscrita pel mateix Desclot de la Cronica del Rei Pere d'Arago.
    Si voleu llegir tot lo text soles teniu que punchar en la foto i passar a la pagina anterior per a poder llegir-lo tot sancer.
    Crec que aci sobren les paraules, sempre deixant clar, que els que escampen el fals text heu fan des de l'ignorancia, en el millor sentit de la paraula.
    Ah, parlant de Desclot, apareix un atra frase en el Blog de Quico i en la Cronica en el capitul ¿quint? que per cert no he pogut trobar (espere que no estiga manipulat com en el cas anterior), que diu aixina "No se'n perdé alguna, sinó una galea dels catalans que era de València" podrem vore, com aço, no es ninguna afirmacio, puix el que una galera dels catalans (que duyen els catalans) fora de Valencia, demostra una volta mes que els catalans compraven barcos en les drassanes valencianes. Es com el meu coche, que es Alemany. Puix per aixo, yo no soc ni Alemany, ni Alemanya es Valenciana, ¿no?. Ademes, en la mateixa Cronica podem llegir esta frase en el capitul CLVII pagina 323..." E d'altra part, lenys armats e barques armades de cossaris de Valencia e de Barcelona e de Taragona " de ser com preten fer entendre el pancatalanisme, ¿No seria mes correcte que Desclot haguera ficat corsaris catalans?

    Continua...
    En temps d'engany Universal, dir la veritat es convertix en un acte Revolucionari.

    ALEDUA


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    Per mi es podrien quedar ixa, pero per a fotre els possaria la de santa eulalia

  3. #3
    Senyor de lo Regne Avatar de POPEPO
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    Molt bó, ratblau.

    Tinc antés que la bandera de Catalunya es una flor de lys (gal. lliri) morà en un fon blanc.

    De totes formes, ¿algú pot corroborar-ho?

    Tambe vaig a llegirme eixe articul de Na Teresa, que per a llegir bones coses sempre tenim que estar dispostos .

    Un abraç!

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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    La bandera de Catalunya,podría ser una d'estes dos:
    El pendó del Comtes de Barcelona.

    O be,la de Sta.Eulalia.


    Pero sinse tindre coneximent (o en mala idea),furtaren per tot el morro el Vexillum Regis d'Aragó...

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    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de Follet_Tortuga
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    Ambas banderas representan a Barcelona, pero no a toda Cataluña, además la primera como bandera ha sido tradicionalmente de 2 formas, con 2 o 4 palos en forma horizontal al ser una bandera y no un escudo o estandarte:


    “España, evangelizadora de la mitad del orbe, España, martillo de herejes, luz de Trento, espada de Roma, cuna de San Ignacio … Esa es nuestra grandeza y nuestra unidad. No tenemos otra.”

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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    Es cierto,lo de las 4 barras fué una adición posterior.
    Puestos a adoptar banderas autonómicas en su día,esas hubieran sido la mejor opción.


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    Centenar de la Ploma
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    Ambas banderas representan a Barcelona, pero no a toda Cataluña
    La cosa esta en tindre una bandera per a tota catalunya, que no interferixca en les atres autonomies, per ixample, no poden tindre la cuatribarra, per que estan interferint en l'estatut d'Arago, ademes, ixe estandart no podia hissar-se sense que el Rey de dita Corona (Arago) no estiguera present.

    Qualsevol de ixes dos es mes apta que la cuatribarra, tenen sort de que, mosatros, no estigam subvencionats,ni tingam ganes de tocar els collons.

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    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de Follet_Tortuga
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    A ver las banderas cuarteladas con la cruz de San Jorge y los palos son exclusivas de Barcelona, de la misma forma que la de las 4 barras onduladas es exclusiva de Tarragona. Para toda Cataluña es dificil saber si tiene 1 estandarte o bandera propia, pues al principio era un conjunto de condados y cuando pasaron a formar parte de la Corona de Aragón el Rey no les puso ningún símbolo distintivo. Yo creo que es correcto utilizar los palos de Aragón para Cataluña, pero lo que sería incorrecto es identificarla como bandera exclusiva, propia o que provenga de los antiguos condados.
    “España, evangelizadora de la mitad del orbe, España, martillo de herejes, luz de Trento, espada de Roma, cuna de San Ignacio … Esa es nuestra grandeza y nuestra unidad. No tenemos otra.”

  9. #9
    Centenar de la Ploma
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    A ver las banderas cuarteladas con la cruz de San Jorge y los palos son exclusivas de Barcelona, de la misma forma que la de las 4 barras onduladas es exclusiva de Tarragona.
    Clar i la cuatribarra es exclusiva del Rei d'Arago, ni Arago la du !

    Cita Iniciado por Follet_Tortuga
    Para toda Cataluña es dificil saber si tiene 1 estandarte o bandera propia, pues al principio era un conjunto de condados y cuando pasaron a formar parte de la Corona de Aragón el Rey no les puso ningún símbolo distintivo.
    Per aixo mateixa deurien adaptar una bandera seua, ya siga la de santa eulalia o la de barcelona.


    Cita Iniciado por Follet_Tortuga
    Yo creo que es correcto utilizar los palos de Aragón para Cataluña, pero lo que sería incorrecto es identificarla como bandera exclusiva, propia o que provenga de los antiguos condados.
    No es correcte, interferix en l'estatut d'Arago, es com pixar-se en l'historia de la corona, si el rei no esta present, ixa bandera no pot hissar-se.

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