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El pancatalanisme carga contra la llengua valenciana

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Tema: El pancatalanisme carga contra la llengua valenciana

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    El pancatalanisme carga contra la llengua valenciana

    De la mano del "imparcial" Paco Cerda, nos llega la ultima noticia del pancatalanismo. Por lo visto les ha sentado bastante mal que los valencianos tengamos una aplicación en nuestra lengua valenciana.....estos son los que tanto quieren defender dicha lengua

    Softvalencià acusa al Consell y a Microsoft de ´subordinar al extremo´ el valenciano al español

    El presidente de Microsoft Catalunya admite que en el CLIP en valenciano "sólo hay un 8% de diferencias con el catalán" Critican que la versión sea subtitulada

    PACO CERDÀ VALENCIA

    Softvalencià, la plataforma que más trabaja por la difusión de la lengua propia en la informática de programación libre, ha mostrado su "estupor" por las características especiales del primer producto "totalmente en valenciano" presentado esta semana por Microsoft y acusó a la empresa de Bill Gates y a la Generalitat de querer "relegar al valenciano fuera de los estándares internacionales de traducción de programario".

    "La traducción por subtítulos es una tecnología inexistente hasta ahora en la traducción de programario", critica Softvalencià, y "lleva al extremo la subordinación del valenciano al español o el inglés, las únicas lenguas en las que funciona el paquete CLIP de valenciano", según defiende la asociación desgajada de Softcatalà en una nota colgada en su web.

    La nueva aplicación, calificada de "histórica" por el presidente Francisco Camps y equiparada al momento en que se empezó a escribir en valenciano, se limita a traducir con subtítulos el Windows y el Office 2010 en castellano o en inglés. "No es la traducción del Windows y el Office al valenciano, como sí que ocurre con la versión de Microsoft al catalán y como ha querido vender desde hace un año la Generalitat, sino que sólo aparecen subtítulos en valenciano. Es una aplicación condenada al fracaso, porque ¡qué necesidad tiene un usuario de que le aparezcan pop-up, en una lengua que ya conoce, cada vez que mueve el ratón!", explica Pau Iranzo, portavoz del colectivo.

    Separación de la lengua

    En unas declaraciones recogidas por Vilaweb, el director de Microsoft Catalunya y encargado del proyecto, Carlos Grau, asegura que "desde el punto de vista terminológico, sólo hay un 8% de diferencias con el catalán y hemos podido aprovechar mucho trabajo hecho".

    Por tanto, subraya Softvalencià, "queda muy clara la estupidez del CLIP en valenciano cuando ya existe un LIP en catalán que tiene el 92% de las cadenas exactamente iguales". En este sentido, la plataforma denunció que "en los últimos años, el Gobierno valenciano del PP ha promovido activamente la separación del valenciano respecto al catalán en el ámbito informático".

    De hecho, se han producido anécdotas reveladoras, como cuando una persona contratada por la Generalitat Valenciana quiso utilizar un código de lengua para el Openoffice en valenciano que huyera del código que utiliza el catalán ("Ca_ES") y un administrador del Openoffice le alertó de que era imposible utilizar el código "es_VA" porque era un código propio del Vaticano. La plataforma Softvalencià reclama a Microsoft "que trate al valenciano como una lengua de pleno derecho", y exigió al Consell "que acepte los códigos internacionales de lengua y variantes, donde el valenciano tiene perfecta cabida".

    http://www.levante-emv.com/comunitat...aceComentarios

    Mare meua, el Levante ha perdido el rumbo dando la voz casi a diario al pancatalanismo. Al final no lo va a comprar ni el tato.
    Informame de que webs hacen apologia del terrorismo y lo pondre en conocimiento del Grupo de Delitos Informaticos.

  2. #2
    Coronel de lo Regne
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    Cada dia dona mes asco el Levante "El Merderil Valenciano"
    Gav Gandia

    GAV des de 1977 fent valencianisme y mes forts que mai...

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    Moderador Global
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    JODER UN 8% ES MUCHO.

    OSEA ELLOS MISMOS RECONOCEN QUE INCLUSO EL 'NORMALIZAT' DEBE INCLUIR UN 8% DE DIFERENCIAS CON EL CATALÁN QUE LOS VALENCIANOS LO ENTIENDAN.

    NO QUIERO PENSAR SI EN LUGAR DE BASARSE EN EL 'NORMALITZAT' LO HUBIERAN HECHO EN EL VALENCIANO NORMAL DE LA CALLE Y LA RACVS (SIMPLEMENTE).




    SON UNOS GENIOS, GRACIAS A LOS PANCAS POR RECONOCER LA IDENTIDAD GENUINA DE LA LENGUA VALENCIANA

  4. #4
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    ¿Un 8% y eso, aún usando el sardanizado? ... Para que una cosa sea la misma que la otra, deberían de ser iguales al 100% ... Hay lenguas mucho más parecidas en el mundo que están reconocidas como idiomas ...

  5. #5
    Centenar de la Ploma
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    Ixe 8% sera el de l'AVL, no crec que paquito fique les del puig.

  6. #6
    Prior de lo Regne
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    estos catalans me pregunte yo qui son per a parlar de mosatros...a vore si s´enteren que els condats de la Comunitat de Catalunya acaven en Tarragona

  7. #7
    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    "sólo hay un 8% de diferencias con el catalán"

    Ahora me entero,que para establecer idiomas tiene que ver el grado de diferenciación.
    Aparte,que seguro que se refieren al catlenciano podrido que enseñan...

  8. #8
    Fiscal de lo Regne Avatar de 1245
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    Despres diuen que hi ha anticatalanisme, normal, a soles hi ha que vore quant d'antivalencianisme se veu en els catalanistes.

    S'activa la maquinaria belica del Regne en la protocolaria colocacio de la Real Senyera en les Torres de Serrans; accio que significava la declaracio de guerra "a sanc i foc"

  9. #9
    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de mensajero
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    Este comentario que alguien ha escrito en el pancatalanista Levante, me ha encantado

    Algunos creen que un 92% de similitud entre dos lenguas no dá para que sean llamadas por distinto nombre; yo sí lo creo, no creo que haya inconveniente en llamarlas de manera distinta, como, a modo de ejemplo, y aunque comparto el 98% de mi ADN con los orangutanes prefiero ser llamado hombre, y no mono, por mucho que no haya mas de un 2% de diferencia en nuestra materia genética.

    Catala a fer la ma!! mosatros parlem valencia!!
    Informame de que webs hacen apologia del terrorismo y lo pondre en conocimiento del Grupo de Delitos Informaticos.

  10. #10
    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    "Critican que la versión sea subtitulada"

    Puix qui puga entendre eixe charrar de moniato en boca,a mí que m'heu traduixca...

  11. #11
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Este comentario que alguien ha escrito en el pancatalanista Levante, me ha encantado

    Algunos creen que un 92% de similitud entre dos lenguas no dá para que sean llamadas por distinto nombre; yo sí lo creo, no creo que haya inconveniente en llamarlas de manera distinta, como, a modo de ejemplo, y aunque comparto el 98% de mi ADN con los orangutanes prefiero ser llamado hombre, y no mono, por mucho que no haya mas de un 2% de diferencia en nuestra materia genética.

    Catala a fer la ma!! mosatros parlem valencia!!
    Monos, claro que somos ... Y los orangutanes también ... Lo que SÍ está claro, es que NO somos orangutanes, ni éstos son chimpancés ... Los hombres son hombres, los chimpancés son chimpancés, y los orangutanes, orangutanes ...

  12. #12
    Senescal de lo Regne Avatar de ratblau
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    es curios, no me publiquen els mensages
    Per a que despres diguen que se pot discutir i que defenen la Llibertat d'Espresio.
    Estos Pantomaques son molt mafiosos jajajaja
    Per cert, en un dels mensages els preguntava ¿per que parleu Campostala? no ho entenc
    En temps d'engany Universal, dir la veritat es convertix en un acte Revolucionari.

    ALEDUA


  13. #13
    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de Regne_Valencia
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    es curios, no me publiquen els mensages
    Per a que despres diguen que se pot discutir i que defenen la Llibertat d'Espresio.
    Estos Pantomaques son molt mafiosos jajajaja
    Per cert, en un dels mensages els preguntava ¿per que parleu Campostala? no ho entenc
    Ratblau, la censura de ese periodico es aplastante. Aunque no insultes ni hagas nada en contra de las normas, solo publican una minima parte de los mensajes que están contra la linea pancatalanista del periodico, eso si a los pancas se los publican todos. Y estos son los que se quejan de la censura, jajaja. Ademas, llamarlo "periodico" es darle demasiado rango cultural.
    CATALANISTES GO HOME!!

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