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''Les normes d'El Puig no respecten als alacantins''????

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    ''Les normes d'El Puig no respecten als alacantins''????

    Aixo he escoltat, que panques alacantins afirmen que, al igual que mosatros diguem ''Les normes de Castelló no respecten la llengua valenciana'', puix ells afirmen que ''les normes d'El Puig no respecten el dialecte alacantí''.

    Diuen que els fonemes i morfemes que ells usen no son els de les normes d'El Puig, a part, també afirmen que estes normes tenen paraules i formes que no usen.

    Algu que m'aclarixca el dubte?

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    Puix yo conec molt lo parlar d'ací baix y en les NdP no tindríem problema...
    Última edición por Lobivalentian; 21/01/2012 a las 16:53
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    Ja ja ja Si les normes del Puig son fetes o inspiraes per el Pare Lluis fullana de Benimarfull (Alacant)
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    A vore plumbum si fas cas de tot lo que diuen els pambtumakes acabaras carabasa.
    Lo primer. Yo mai me sentaria a parlar dels drets dels chiquets en un pederasta. Els catalanistes no pinten res parlant de normes de una llengua que neguen que existixca.
    Lo segon.Les normatives no son perfectes. Ninguna d'elles. De ninguna llengua. I mes pera intentar arreplegar totes les variants dialectals.
    Tercer. Partint de lo anterior. Si es dificil que una normativa arreplegue els tres diallectes principals del valencià... imaginat una que areplegue estos ...mes les variants del mallorqui (menorqui, ivicenc) ...mes els parlars de catalunya ...mes el infame dialecte Barceloni. No cal que te diga mes. crec yo.
    i per ultim. Les normes del Puig son les uniques fetes per i pera els valencians
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    Ja ja ja Si les normes del Puig son fetes o inspiraes per el Pare Lluis fullana de Benimarfull (Alacant)
    I el president de l'academia que les sustenta es d'Alcoy.
    Sols en el cas de l'ortografia de la X ya seria prou pa justificar la seua existencia. Es mes casi diria que per respectar usos dialectals del sur han fet norma coses que van contra el parlar general e inclus contra l'etimologia, lo que no lleva lo dit ades "son les que millor representen a la llengua valenciana perque se han fet exclusivament per ad ella."
    ¿que se poden millorar? clar que si
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    Moltes gracies a tots per contestar xddd, ara ya tinc clar el dubte.

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    Yo soc de la provincia d'Alacant.
    Lo que entra dins de tota llogica y comprensio es que les normes del PUIG o la RACV no son lo que realment parlem els alacantins pero si lo que mes es pareix, continuant pel cami de la llogica no seria de rebut que en eixe pretext renunciasem a les normes del PUIG o la RACV y mos agarrarem a les subnormalisaes normes del cientific Pompeu Fabra y el seu dialecte barceloni.
    Aci lo que crec que queda ben clar es que lo primer es desterrar el catala d'estes terres; Despres d'aixo, yo estic convençut de que les normes que se imponguen en el Regne de Valencia buscaren sempre el consens de les tres provincies que formen el Regne, posat que aci sabem respectar-mos uns a atres, y aixo no va ser faena de dos dies pero sí faena mes agradable que la que se esta realisant ara, a on mos han impost un dialecte sense mes y ese si que no te res que vorer en la nostra dolça llengua.

    Soc alacanti y valencià, pero ni soc ni mai sere catala.
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    aguila_roja, estic totalment d'acort en tu. El primer pas es apartar el catalanisme per complet, i el segon es buscar una normalisacio apta per a tot el Regne. Com dius, es dificil (per la diversitat de dialectes) i no se fa en dos dies, pero es lo que s'ha de fer, per el be dels nostres classics, de nostra historia i de les nostres senyes que mos identifiquen com a entitat.
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    aguila_roja, estic totalment d'acort en tu. El primer pas es apartar el catalanisme per complet, i el segon es buscar una normalisacio apta per a tot el Regne. Com dius, es dificil (per la diversitat de dialectes) i no se fa en dos dies, pero es lo que s'ha de fer, per el be dels nostres classics, de nostra historia i de les nostres senyes que mos identifiquen com a entitat.
    Que yo sepa, las Normas del Puig dicen que la lengua valenciana tiene tres dialectos, el de Castellón, el de Valencia y el de Elche o Alicante.

    Valencia de Elig - Valenciano de Elche --- Llengua - Lengua Valenciana

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    Exacte, Tirant, i ixa diversitat de tres dialectes es lo que fa dificil fer una normalisacio, puix hi han prou diferiencies entre estos dialectes.

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    Exacte, Tirant, i ixa diversitat de tres dialectes es lo que fa dificil fer una normalisacio, puix hi han prou diferiencies entre estos dialectes.
    No cregues,casi totes les diferencies son mínimes si s'enfronta respecte al lleonés o aragonés que sí son un verdader trencacaps.
    La llexicografía valenciana eixistix desde sempre (llig als nostres escritors),sols falta una serietat que respecte y defenga este idioma.
    http://www.idiomavalenciano.com/dial...alenciano.html
    Última edición por Lobivalentian; 21/01/2012 a las 20:25

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    Exacte, Tirant, i ixa diversitat de tres dialectes es lo que fa dificil fer una normalisacio, puix hi han prou diferiencies entre estos dialectes.

    Yo no veig tanta diferencia com tot aixo. I pense que es agradable l'intercanvi dialectal que produim els valencians en quant mos otorga un enriquiment llingüistic major a la nostra dolça llengua. No com el dialecte barceloní que la destrossa.
    Y no confundim la llengua valenciana es la llengua del conjunt de les tres provincias,
    y diferencies hi ha en totes parts del mon, fins y tot en pobles veïns y no per aixo se els obliga a engolir-se un dialectucho que no els correspon historicament.
    Els Valencians temim que estar units per lo nostre.
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    Exacte, Tirant, i ixa diversitat de tres dialectes es lo que fa dificil fer una normalisacio, puix hi han prou diferiencies entre estos dialectes.
    Confonem termes. "Normalisació" fa referència a fer normal, la llengua valenciana no és subnormal. Tu te referixes a "normativisació".
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    Si, nrf_blau, aixo volia dir xddd

    Segons el que digueu, no hi ha tanta diferiencia entre els dialectes com yo pensava. Vos faré cas, puix lo que estic fent es enriquirme de coneiximents.

    Per cert, coneixeu el llibre ''La llengua dels valencians'' de Sanchis Guarner? Está sent obligatoriament imposat als Instituts, per l'assignatura de ''valencià''. He pogut comprobar l'absoluta manipulació que hi ha, es un resum de la nostra historia ple de chicotets detalls falsos que canvien la historia a favor del pancatalanisme. T'expliquen els diferents documents i escrits d'abans del 32 afirmant que es el resultat d'un sentiment seccionista que se veu potenciat per la castellanisació. xd

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    Un simple eixemple. El "astò" paraula alacantina per excelència. Les bases de Castelló la consideren de burros i no l'accepten. Les Normes del Puig, com a normes de tots els valencians que són, l'arrepleguen i accepten sense cap problema.
    Per supost, tot és millorable. Pero cap atra normativa s'acosta més als alacantins, astò segur.
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