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  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar Avatar de Mallorquí
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    Mirau lo que comenta sa gent an es diari ultima hora

    REAL ACADEMIA DE LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA- REAL ACADEMIA DE LA HISTORIA
    Los firmantes, miembros de las Academias Española y de la Historia, habiendo conocido la peculiar controversia que durante meses pasados se ha hecho pública en diversos órganos de prensa valencianos, acerca del origen de la lengua hablada en la mayor parte de las comarcas del País Valenciano, y a petición de personas interesadas en que demos a conocer nuestra opinión sobre este asunto, científicamente aclarado desde hace muchos años, deseamos expresar, de acuerdo con todos los estudiosos de las lenguas románicas: Que el valenciano es una variante dialectal del catalán. Es decir, del idioma hablado en las islas Baleares, en la Cataluña francesa y española, en la franja de Aragón, en la mayor parte del País Valenciano, en el Principado de Andorra y en la ciudad sarda de Alguer. Por todo ello, nos causa sorpresa ver este hecho puesto públicamente en duda y aún ásperamente impugnado, por personas que claramente utilizan sus propios prejuicios como fuente de autoridad científica, mientras pretenden ridiculizar e incluso insultar a personalidades que, por su entera labor, merecen el respeto de todos y en primer lugar el nuestro.
    Se hace fácil suponer que tras esas posiciones negativas se ocultan consideraciones y propósitos que en nada se relacionan con la verdad de un hecho suficientemente claro para la filología y para la historia. Es culturalmente aberrante todo intento -como el que contemplamos- de desmembrar el País Valenciano de la comunidad idiomática y cultural catalana, por la que, como escritores e intelectuales españoles, no tenemos sino respeto y admiración, dentro del cual el País Valenciano ha tenido y tiene un lugar tan relevante.
    Dámaso Alonso, Jesús Pabón, Antonio Buero Vallejo, Tomás Navarro, Pedro Laín Entralgo, José María Pemán, Vicente Aleixandre, Fernando Lázaro Carreter, Alonso Zamora Vicente, Salvador de Madariaga, Marqués de Lozoya, Miquel Batllori, Camilo José Cela, Rafael Lapesa, Manuel Alvar y José Antonio Maravall

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  2. #2
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    ¿diari "ultima hora"?

    "ultima hora" del sigle passat, sera. Perque Camilo Jose Cela faltà nomes escomençar el sigle XXI i no crega que haja vengut a firmar res en estos moments.

    Eixe "document" es un mes dels tipics fets pel catalanisme manipulaor i propagandistic. Es brossa/fem el seu contingut i els firmants son cuatre que han agarrat per ahi i els han ficat un bon grapat de cacaus dins la bolchaca pa que diguen lo que els catalanistes volen que diguen (o firmen).

    Ni cas a eixos "documents". En tot cas restregarlos per la cara la realitat llingüistica i historica sense manipular que tira per terra totes les falses teories catalanistes. Hui en dia la gent està mes que farta d'estos nazis catalanistes victimistes, plorons i poca-vergonya.

    Aprofitem ara la coyuntura pa fotrelos ben fotuts en este foro i en uns atres. Informant correctament de les mentires, manipulacions i abusos dels nazicatalanistes farem que encara caiguen en un major descredit davant dels ulls de tot lo mon.

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    Eixos firmans son tochs us venuchs desonrrachs.

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    Recorde que n'hi havia un articul o una declaracio de un d'eixos firmants en el que relatava les condicions confuses en les que se lis va fer la peticio pa firmar el pafleto que obri este fil. ¿A algu de vosatros vos sona? Seria bo tindre eixa aclaracio, que a mi ma va sataifaure prou, para acompanyarla cade vegà que els panques esgrimisen el inculte i bochornos panfleto dels academics. Yo, per la meua part, fare lo posible per trobarlo i portarlo.
    Xavier, ariant y a Mallorquí Les gusta esto.
    "Creer que el valenciano es un dialecto del catalán es comprensible, como también lo es creer que nuestro dios es Dios." (VOB)

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    Siempre se les olvida este libro, y la demostración de la manipulación que hicieron nuestros compañeros de Castelló.

    Es muy seguro que incluso sea 'ilegal' esa declaración.


    http://www.loratpenat.org/biblioteca/RAE%20FRONT.pdf



    La resposta de Camilo José Cela no
    es va fer esperar. Als pocs dies, 16 de giner
    de 1991, responia de puny i lletra dient-li al
    seu amic una cosa importantissima: que «LA
    FIRMA DE AQUEL DOCUMENTO NO
    FUÉ QUIZÁ PRUDENTE».
    Descobrix que els firmants ho feren
    tan sols per deferencia a «personas interesadas». Molt interessant.
    No deixen de llegir la carta integra,
    perque en ella voran que:

    «Quizá ahora —las investigaciones históricas ofrecen
    continuamente sorpresas y éstas influyen en las conclusiones científicas sobre una realidad viva e histórica como es la lengua— NO SERÍA TAN TAJANTE
    LA AFIRMACIÓN QUE SE HACE que, entonces, era
    científicamente correcta».

    Etc.


    El librito lo explica todo. Incluso como cambiaron la denominación sin seguir el curso normal.


    http://www.loratpenat.org/biblioteca/RAE%20FRONT.pdf

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    personas interesadas
    Ixcá vinguera algú d'eixos burrimacs y mos exponguera el perqué hasta els anys 70 la llengua valenciana estigué reconeguda en el DRAE pero hui no...
    ¿Magia potagia?
    ¿O paperets verts baix la taula?
    Última edición por Lobivalentian; 30/01/2013 a las 12:59
    Cabellagre y a Mallorquí Les gusta esto

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    Cómo no va a ser el valenciano un idioma si fue la lengua de un Reino
    Lluis Fullana i Mira

    L´individualitat de la llengua valenciana dins de la familia de les llengües occitanes, cap que tinga una mija cultura, la pot posar en dupte.
    Manuel de Montoliu
    Ya habrán leído el libro de lo Rat?

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    Vos doneu conter com quant algu es referix al valencià com a dialecte del català ho diu sense donar explicacio alguna, pera despres dir que el qui discutix es un dement, ásperamente impugnado, por personas que claramente utilizan sus propios prejuicios ¿No es aixo DOGMAITISME? "La antítesis de la ciencia es el dogmatismo". Ortega y Gasset.

    ¿Quina clase de cientific et diu un definicio I NO UNA EXPLICACIÓ? ¿De a on es trauen eixa definicio, quines son les investigacions fetes per ells, i quines son les seues fonts?
    No se qui es pijor, si esta gentola venuda al nazionalisme o els que es creuen totas eixta merda.
    adlerta, ariant y a Mallorquí Les gusta esto.
    Si dius ESPECTACUL no faras el RIDICUL si dius ESPECTACLE si faras el RIDICLE . Parla be que parlar be no costa una merda ¡¡ Recollons !!

    Ni tu saps dasta a on pots aplegar, dasta que aplegues. ¡No et pares!

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    El Miguel Batllori de la llista de "personalitats" es el que havem tingut tots una copia de periodic a on porta el barret de doctor?. Caldria posar eixe retall.
    Na.Teresa Puerto el te segur, clar si es ell.
    Per lo demes una vergonya.

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    Los alcaldes señalan que la inmigración ha sido clave en la escolarización en castellano » Part Forana » Noticias » Ultima Hora Mallorca

    Hay uno que firma como "juasjuas..." que no deja de menospreciar al mallorquín y al valenciano, alguien debería decirle algo bien dicho.

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    El Miguel Batllori de la llista de "personalitats" es el que havem tingut tots una copia de periodic a on porta el barret de doctor?. Caldria posar eixe retall.



    Molt interessant el document citat per Tirant.

    Ademes de lo expost en eixe document, tampoc devem oblidar la cita de Damaso Alonso:

    "la lengua valenciana y la catalana están en paridad y al mismo nivel" i reconeix "una mayor antigüedad de la lengua valenciana, ya que sus raíces se hallan más próximas al latín".


    Tambe molt interessants les respostes al ser preguntats del per que de la firma, ademes de les que ya s'ha exposat anteriorment:

    Alonso Zamora Vicente

    No sé cuál es el estado de la cuestión a que ustedes se refieren, para cualquier tipo de aclaración deberán dirigirse a la cooperación, a través de su actual Secretario…

    Antonio Buero Vallejo

    En relación a la lengua valenciana y ante una discusión que parece no tener fin, mi determinación era y es, por no ser yo especialista en tales materias, la de no pronunciarme individualmente al respecto. El documento reproducido que me envían tuvo, de hecho más bien carácter corporativo

    Hem de tindre en conte que nomes pogueren preguntar a onze, els demes ya havien faltat. Dels academics consultats cinc no contestaren.

    Com sempre tot a miges, mal fet, ningu sap res, pero tots fiquen el nas.
    Alerta-i-Accio, adlerta y a Mallorquí Les gusta esto.
    La lengua es un sistema que no conoce más orden que el suyo propio. Saussure

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    Moltes gracies als que haveu trobat lo que yo recordava.
    "Creer que el valenciano es un dialecto del catalán es comprensible, como también lo es creer que nuestro dios es Dios." (VOB)

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