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El genuinament valencià "PÒS"

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Tema: El genuinament valencià "PÒS"

  1. #1
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    El genuinament valencià "PÒS"

    Agraixc a Lobivalentian el seu mensage privat i faig publica aci la meua resposta:

    Cita Iniciado por Lobivalentian
    Com llixc per certs foros alguns que usen l'arcaica conjuncio "doncs" com sustitut del -puix (forma valenciana,del lletí -post),vos exponc que eixa merda en orige ni es valenciana,ni catalana ni res; fon lletinisme present en totes les llengües romániques; desde el provenzal -donc al italiá -donqua,hui arcaísme també.
    Es curiós,pero en catalá prefabriste abanda del "doncs" observe la forma -doncas mateixeta a la que dien per Ávila quant Alfons XI gatejava en bolquers;
    "doncas s'han burlat" (Pitarra; Singlots poétichs,1866)
    "doncas jo li faré" (Pitarra: Los Egoistas,1871)
    "doncas jo li dich" [Manubens y Vidal; Fugir del foch,1898]
    "be,doncas" (Monserdá de Maciá; La familia Asparó,1900)
    ...
    Y cites del valenciá -puix,com dien els cults;
    "puix que tant" (March,A:Cants d'amor,h.1450)
    "puix yo no tinch" (Martorell,J.,Tirant,c.1460)
    "puix sou la font clara" (Siurana; Disputa de viudes,1561)
    ...
    Al final va impondre's en llaugerea la forma -pues del castellá,donat el seu paregut;
    "pues de tots" (Mulet; Ms.Poesies a Maciana,v.55,c.1640)
    "pues mirau" (Mercader, C.: Vida de P. Esteve,p.48,1677)
    "este notari pues,com dich" (Galiana: Rondalla de rondalles,p.75,1767)
    "pues yo també" (Escalante: Les tres palomes,1876)
    "pues mos ha donat" (Escalante: Desde dalt del Micalet,1877)
    ...

    A mosatros,el "doncs" que siga només el so de les campanes en bodes
    Encara millor que tots eixos, el genui "pòs" valencià: pUEnte / pÒnt, pUErta / pÒrta, pUErto / pÒrt, cUErda / cÒrda, tUErto / tÒrt, i seguint la mateixa evolucio logica de la llengua valenciana UE / Ò: pUEs / pÒs
    Última edición por MOSATROS; 13/03/2013 a las 14:00

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    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de aguila_roja
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    M'ha fet gracia aixo y pensant un poquet he trobat mes eixamples,...y que segur hiá un fum:

    cuervo-corp, suelto-solt, duerme-dorm, puerco-porc, duende-donyet, trueno-trò, prueba-prova, rueda-roda.......

    Curios al tema...
    Qui No Vullga Pols .......Que No Vaja a l'Era

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    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    En aragonés, tenemos las formas "pos" y "pus"; excepción hecha de "¿pasa pues?"; asímismo, la forma "doncas" es un medievalismo que aún hay quien lo usa con fines literarios, como una especie de pronombre relativo o como se llame:

    "Pos uei me'n bo ta Franza" / "Pus uei me'n bo ta Franza" (Pues hoy me voy a Francia).
    "Pos / Pus no remero an l'he dixau" (Pues no recuerdo donde la he dejado).

    "Asinas, doncas, dezidió continar por l'alcorze" (Así, pues, decidió seguir por el atajo) - En este caso, "pues" tiene el significado de "entonces" o "por tanto", ...
    Alerta-i-Accio y a Lobivalentian Les gusta esto
    (¡¡¡CLINC!!! ¡¡¡CLINC!!! ¡¡¡CLINC!!!) ¡¡¡WARROSSSSS ... VAMOS A JUGAAAAAAR!!!





    ... LAS LENGUAS ENVIDIOSAS ... SEAN FRITAS (FRANÇOIS VILLON).

    LOS CATALUFOS Y PANCUZOS, SON COMO LOS HIJOS DE BERDOLÉ ... QUE A SU PRÓPIO PADRE PRETENDÍAN ENSEÑARLE A ENGENDRAR BEBÉS.

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    sòrt, fòrt, fòc, gròs, bò, òs (suerte, fuerte, fuego, grueso, bueno, hueso)

    ¿per qué en conte del genui i VIU "pòs" valencià, els de la RACV han triat fer normatiu l'arcaic i desaparegut "puix"?

    Pòs perque la forma "pòs" es molt "vulgar". ¿qué anaven a dir els castellans d'ells si hagueren reconegut la forma valenciana "pòs" com a normativa? Perque ya sabem tots que els castellans tenen al seu "pos" com a molt vulgar i incult i els "cultistes" de la RACV no poden pedre el seu prestigi i "cultura".

    Pòs res, una atra pedreta mes dins la sabata de la llengua valenciana que mos fica la RACV en el seu "puix".

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Yo sempre he escoltat mes ( zona de Torrent) puix, pos sempre a la gent que de costum parla castella i vol parlar valencia

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    Sargent Centenar Avatar de Alerta-i-Accio
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    En cheneral (general) de casi tots els fils que llixc (llig) d'este foro deprenc coses. Este fil en concret m'aclarit un aspecte que al prinsipi de llançarme a escriure en valencià, fa ara huit anys, me deixava (disava) fotut. Entonses escomenci a gastar el puix i no me trobava, pero me dia, será aixina. No n'hi havia manera, no podia en el puix i poc a poc vaig anar soslayant la nesecitat de gastarlo. D'ara en avant, pos, encara que algun pues s'ascaparà, pero el puix desterrat tranquilament, com el nosatres.
    Gracies a tots.
    "Creer que el valenciano es un dialecto del catalán es comprensible, como también lo es creer que nuestro dios es Dios." (VOB)

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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    Incloc estes cites lliteraries;
    "pos yo" (Escalante; La Muda,1855)
    "pos yo dic" (Sem.El Mole,1865)
    "pos yo no trine,que brame" (Balader: Les beseroles,1874)
    "pos tinc mal susto" (Fambuena: Fer les cartes,1881)
    "¡pos ell ha pegat mal bac!" (Fuster, L.: El nano de la falla,1894)
    ...
    Última edición por Lobivalentian; 13/03/2013 a las 18:24

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