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  1. #1
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    EL SUBSTRAT IBER de la LLENGUA VALENCIANA .

    El pas acreditat dels numerosos pobles que habitaren el Regne de Valencia: fenicis, grecs, ibers, cartaginesos, romans, gots, visigots, araps, judeus, aragonesos, navarros, castellans, gallecs, francs pirenaics, aquitans, provençals, etc., deixà calcigades indelebles en la cultura i en la LLENGUA VALENCIANA a traves dels sigles. De tots ells, TRES foren els pobles que hauriem de resenyar necessariament, per la seua valuosissima aportacio cultural i llingüistica a la nostra koiné valenciana genuïna: els ibers, els romans i els araps. Foren estos tres pobles els grans forjadors, en orige, de la nostra raça i de la nostra llengua durant llarcs sigles de cohabitacio i de coexistencia.

    Com a primer antecedent llingüistic de la LLENGUA VALENCIANA (substrat) , en numerosos vestigis arqueologics, en inscripcions escrites i en alfabet genuï, tenim al poble IBER, testimonis del qual inunden les poblacions de Moixent, Bocairent, Lliria, Alcoy, Villena, Elig, Murla, Chest, Sinarques, Alcala de Chisvert, Borriol, Castellnou, Sagunt, i dotzenes mes.

    La LLENGUA VALENCIANA conserva gran cantitat de vocables d’orige iber que li donen, junt a la seua fonetica, i als vocables araps, una exclusivitat genuïna. Paraules com tossal, clot, arc, arse, barranc, barraca, bassa, bonyigo, canto, caparra, carrasca, esquerra, sangrantana, socarrar....., que formen part del nostre vocabulari actual, son d’orige iber. Aixina com gran numero de coneguts toponims valencians: Teresa, Tyrius, Toris, Onda, Ondara, Oropesa, Peniscola, Sogorp, Macastre, Ibi, Naquera, Sautibi (Xativa), Requena,....

    (Completar en IMAGES :

    Web de Teresa Puerto Ferre. Cronologia Historica de la Lengua Valenciana y Lengua Valenciana una lengua suplantada - EL SUBSTRAT IBER de la LLENGUA VALENCIANA (en LLENGUA VALENCIANA)


    Web de Teresa Puerto Ferre. Cronologia Historica de la Lengua Valenciana y Lengua Valenciana una lengua suplantada - EL SUBSTRATO IBERO de la LLENGUA VALENCIANA (en ESPAÑOL)

  2. #2
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    Teresa, no se si es per aci el lloc mes convenient per a ferte esta consulta, pero vist el comunicat de Lo Rat Penat. Lo Rat Penat afirma que la AVL es un instrumento del catalanismo. Las Provincias

    "En el siglo XIII Jaime I trajo al Reino de Valencia «la lengua occitana, su lengua materna, que se fusionó con el romance que aquí se hablaba, lo que dio naturaleza definitiva a la lengua valenciana»."

    llegint el teu llibre "cronologia historica de la llengua valenciana" se veu que la repoblació no va ser major del 5% en la reconquesta, pero lo tant un numero tan reduit que no podrien haver influit en la llengua del poble, es a dir que lo que diu lo rat en eixa frase es un error, no? Me agradaria saber que pense de eixa frase dita en el comunicat de Lo rat penat.

    Torne a demanar perdo si aci no es el millor lloc per a fer esta pregunta i gracies.
    TRADUCTOR CASTELLÀ VALENCIÀ (softwarevalencia)

    http://traductor.softwarevalencia.com/

    CORRECTOR DE LLENGUA VALENCIANA (RACV)

    http://www.escriu.be/descarregues.html


    TRADUCTOR DE LLENGUA VALENCIANA

    http://www.racv.es/diccionari/diccionario

  3. #3
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    Teresa, no se si es per aci el lloc mes convenient per a ferte esta consulta, pero vist el comunicat de Lo Rat Penat. Lo Rat Penat afirma que la AVL es un instrumento del catalanismo. Las Provincias

    "En el siglo XIII Jaime I trajo al Reino de Valencia «la lengua occitana, su lengua materna, que se fusionó con el romance que aquí se hablaba, lo que dio naturaleza definitiva a la lengua valenciana»."

    llegint el teu llibre "cronologia historica de la llengua valenciana" se veu que la repoblació no va ser major del 5% en la reconquesta, pero lo tant un numero tan reduit que no podrien haver influit en la llengua del poble, es a dir que lo que diu lo rat en eixa frase es un error, no? Me agradaria saber que penses de eixa frase dita en el comunicat de Lo rat penat.

    Torne a demanar perdo si aci no es el millor lloc per a fer esta pregunta i gracies.
    TRADUCTOR CASTELLÀ VALENCIÀ (softwarevalencia)

    http://traductor.softwarevalencia.com/

    CORRECTOR DE LLENGUA VALENCIANA (RACV)

    http://www.escriu.be/descarregues.html


    TRADUCTOR DE LLENGUA VALENCIANA

    http://www.racv.es/diccionari/diccionario

  4. #4
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    Com certs sapos (-sapo,d'orige prerromá) de sequiol que vegen este fil dirán que som uns incults,els exponc açó...
    http://ifc.dpz.es/recursos/publicaci...69/03nebot.pdf

    Respecte al enllaç del companyer dalt;
    "En el siglo XIII Jaime I trajo al Reino de Valencia «la lengua occitana, su lengua materna, que se fusionó con el romance que aquí se hablaba, lo que dio naturaleza definitiva a la lengua valenciana»."
    No,si al final fon que vingueren un grapat de reptilians a durmos este parlar.¿Qué vos aposteu?
    Última edición por Lobivalentian; 06/07/2013 a las 15:44
    DonChusep y a aguila_roja Les gusta esto

  5. #5
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    To : Lo_rat_penat_89 : en breu tindrás la resposta (que es un poquet llarga)

    To : Lobivalentian : durant el proces de "llatinisacio" (BAIX LLATI) un bona part del lexic anterior ( fenicis, cartaginesos, etc..) es assimilat pel poble i passa a formar part del "BAIX LLATI" , parlat pel poble i que, després apareixerá en els diccionaris com "veu llatina" . Aixó forma part del normal intercambi de "prestam llingüistics", patit per les "llengües en contacte" .

  6. #6
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    Teresa, podries vindre a la Reunio d ela Coodinadora el dilluns en el GAV i mos ajudes a fer el comunicat i informe al voltant de l´atac de l´avll

  7. #7
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    CONVOCATORIA DE LA COORDINADORA PER A EL DILLUNS A LES 8 EN LA SEU DEL GAV

    ...::: El Palleter :::...

  8. #8
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    To Lobivalentian :

    Lo del "sapo" de Enric, tens raó : la denominacio LLENGUA OCCITANA es una creacio MODERNA i el "occitanisme" es UNA TRAMPA : Jaume I parlava PROVENÇAL , DEL QUAL DERIVEN TOTES LES "parles"=DIALECTES CATALANS.

    Pero la LLENGUA VALENCIANA TINGUE UN DESENROLL INDEPENDENT, SINGULAR .. and "UNIQUE"

    Please, en breu, llig la contestacio meua a lo_rat_penat_89

  9. #9
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    To Lobivalentian :

    Lo del "sapo" de Enric, tens raó : la denominacio LLENGUA OCCITANA es una creacio MODERNA i el "occitanisme" es UNA TRAMPA : Jaume I parlava PROVENÇAL , DEL QUAL DERIVEN TOTES LES "parles"=DIALECTES CATALANS.

    Pero la LLENGUA VALENCIANA TINGUE UN DESENROLL INDEPENDENT, SINGULAR .. and "UNIQUE"


    To AliBufat : No se si podre, pero, en tot cas, m´agradaria llegir-lo i (corregir, si es possible) qualsevol inconveniencia.

    Please, en breu, llig la contestacio meua a lo_rat_penat_89

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