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Tema: Asturleonés

  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar Avatar de valleret
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    Asturleonés

    Hola. Perdoneu la meua ignorància, pero vullguera que algú me diguera si el idioma leonés i el bable (asturià) son la mateixa llengua o son llengües distintes. Me pareix un tema interesant del que parlar. ¡Gràcies!
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    Hola. Perdoneu la meua ignorància, pero vullguera que algú me diguera si el idioma leonés i el bable (asturià) son la mateixa llengua o son llengües distintes. Me pareix un tema interesant del que parlar. ¡Gràcies!
    ¿A on li veus l'interes..?

  3. #3
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    Yo creo que no ... Y si me apuras, el leonés, también está dividido en varias modalidades; en más que posible que incluso el braganzano, formado por el mirandés y otros 2 dialectos más, oficial en zonas limítrofes de Portugal, esté reconocido como idioma independiente. De todos modos, no me conozco "ese" terreno aunque todo parece indicar que estaríamos ante un macroidioma, dividido en 2 o 3 idiomas y varios dialectos.
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    Coronel de lo Regne Avatar de Lobivalentian
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    Como "asturleonés" en todo caso será el diasistema romance en el que se encuadran las lenguas asturiana y leonesa con sus propias variedades.
    Una de las principales diferencias es que el asturiano forma los plurales en -es (díes, abeyes, cabres, etc) como el valenciano, mientras que el leonés en -as (días, abeyas, cabras, etc) como el castellano y catalán prefabrista...
    El más antiguo texto en leonés data de finales del s. X;
    http://jrmorala.unileon.es/biblioteca/Nodicia.pdf
    Última edición por Lobivalentian; 27/08/2014 a las 17:40
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    N'hi ha que tindre en conter que'l castella es un dialecte del babel, ya que segons la teoria oficial les conquistes foren de nort a sud igual que'l portugues es un dialecte o el mateix idioma que'l gallec.
    Mode ironic off.


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    Pienso, luego sufro.
    Una lengua sin literatura es un lengua POLÍTICA, nunca histórica.

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    Sargent Centenar Avatar de volderk
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    Que el gallec yo pense que no, he tingut la sort de sentir parlar les dos llengües i no me paregueren la mateixa. Segur que per aci n'hi ha qui sap més que yo del tema.
    La llengua no es pacta

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    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Que el gallec yo pense que no, he tingut la sort de sentir parlar les dos llengües i no me paregueren la mateixa. Segur que per aci n'hi ha qui sap més que yo del tema.
    Nadie ha dicho tal cosa ... Alquería hablaba de coña ... Y, efectivamente, el gallego y el portugués, actualmente, son consideradas lenguas distintas (a no ser que, tal como dice Alquería con una dosis de humor cínico, apliquemos el criterio panca, ya que, en tal caso, no sólo serían la misma lengua, sino que las 6.000 habladas en el mundo, podrían quedarse reducidas a menos de 500).
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    Yo creo que no ... Y si me apuras, el leonés, también está dividido en varias modalidades; en más que posible que incluso el braganzano, formado por el mirandés y otros 2 dialectos más, oficial en zonas limítrofes de Portugal, esté reconocido como idioma independiente. De todos modos, no me conozco "ese" terreno aunque todo parece indicar que estaríamos ante un macroidioma, dividido en 2 o 3 idiomas y varios dialectos.
    El terme "macroidioma" no existix en el diccionari de la RAE.

    Per contra la RAE definix "macro" com a "grande". Per tant podriem deduir que "macroidioma" es un "idioma grande".

    Buscant per Internet trobem "macroidioma" com un llenguage de programacio de "macros". Res que vore en la llingüistica/filologia.

    Tambe trobem una referencia a la llengua "Quetchua" de la cual diuen té infinitat de dialectes. D'ahi que, per eixe motiu, li donen el nom de "macroidioma": idioma gran.

    ¿Es l'asturleones un idioma gran - macroidioma - en multitut de dialectes?

    Me pareix a mi que no. Li ve molt ample eixe trage.

    Es més, si l'asturleones es un "macroidioma" ¿per quin motiu el catala no podria ser tambe un atre "macroidioma" en els seus "dialectes": valencià, mallorqui, aragones..?

    No crec que siguen macroidiomes ni l'asturleones, ni el catala y tampoc crec que siga molt convenient anar gastant una terminologia de "macroidiomes", a no ser que vullgam donarli bales a l'enemic y a la seua teoria "unitarista" imperialista.

  9. #9
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    De cualquier manera, considero que hay no menos de 3 idiomas asociados al grupo astur-leonés (bastante diferenciados entre sí y, además, sin voluntad fagocitadora o glotofágica por ninguna de las partes; al menos, más diferentes de lo que puedan ser el gallego respecto al portugués).
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