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  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    19 jun, 14
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    Escocia si catalunya no.

    Hola Alguien podría responderme por favor:

    Por qué Escocia si que tiene base legal para pedir la independencia ya que lo era.

    Y Cataluña nunca a sido independiente, nunca ha tenido independencia política (tenia fueros?).Por que debería de poder serlo?

    Aprovecho para hacer una consulta por que en Antique Maps at the Map House of London aparecen mapas de 1500 que Sale Aragonia y Catalonia???

    Podrían reclamar la independencia por un condado llamado Barcelona?, por que no independizan solo Barcelona y se van a vivir allí todos los adoctrinados,
    asubnormalados por Pujol y Mas?.

    Por que Andorra lo consiguio?
    y por que supuestamente se habla catalán?.Creo que le Monde Frances dijo que en Andorra se habla valenciano.
    Se podrían ir estos a vivir todos a Andorra?.

    Por ultimo y para finalizar.
    Si creo que estoy en lo cierto por que no dicen de una vez NO PODÉIS SER INDEPENDIENTES POR QUE NO SOIS NADIE Y NUNCA LO FUISTEIS.
    HABÉIS ROBADO Y SUPLANTADO UN IDIOMA, UNAS COSTUMBRES Y HABÉIS MANIPULADO LA HISTORIA.

    Yo creo que los valencianos tendríamos que gozar de mas privilegios que Navarra país vasco y Cataluña y se burlan y humillan...creo que es difícil esta respuesta..

    Gracias perdonar por tanta pregunta.
    Gracias de antemano.

  2. #2
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    08 ene, 06
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    3,181
    Escocia si y el condat de catalunya tambe.

    que se'n vagen pero ya...

    ya estan tardant...

    quin descans si se'n van...

    fora d'Espanya y fora de la UE... of course

    que se mengen ells lo que fabriquen...en Espanya ni una aúlla catalana.

    a vore si tenim sort y els donen la indepe y mos llevem de damunt tanta caparra

    Bon vent y barca nova

    Chao

    aurevoir

    aufidersen

    good bye

  3. #3
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Francament, me la trau molt fluixa lo que facen els atres, siguen catalans, escocesos o ainus. Primer me preocupa ma casa i despues la dels demes. Catalunya me preocupa en tant esten els seus tentaculs, entre atres, al Regne de Valéncia. A vegaes me pregunte si no seria millor per a Valéncia que Catalunya s'independisara: ho dic perque ya sabem com son les coses en Espanya, encara no cal un poc d'ajuda de CiU, ERC o similars, se va a ferlos concesions. I cuan son concesions sobre Catalunya, tira que te va, pero cuan les concesions son catalanisar Valéncia (i per desgracia aixo es mes sovint de lo que molts creuen), ya me fot molt.
    Si s'independisaren, igual Valéncia es quedaria mes tranquila.
    Ademes mes d'un catalanofil que tenim en Valéncia mouria al nort a viure la seua utopia a on tots parlen catala (o sels preseguix) i nyuguen els gosos en llonganises.
    Buitre y a Kingdom71 Les gusta esto

  4. #4
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Valenjoan ahi te dixe la resposta.

    Porque Cataluña no es Escocia

    http://www.abc.es/20121105/espana/ab...211031754.html

  5. #5
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Yo, ni Escocia ni Cataluña ... Y me importa 4 carajos si son casos idénticos o totalmente distintos ...

    Parece ser que ganó el NO y, aunque al final, se ha impuesto el sentido común, ya se ha sentado un peligroso precedente, y aquí, legal o ilegalmente, tendremos votaciones y PP.CC.aunque no queramos ... No tuvimos bastante mal ejemplo, por lo visto, con las desintegraciones de la U.R.S.S., Yugoslavia o Checoslovaquia.

    .... Y porque crean haber encontrado un poco de petróleo, quieran vivir en un Estado más bien católico y retrógrado, como los irlandeses, en vez de seguir en una nación seria, unitaria y avanzada como es el Reino Unido, es para hacérselo mirar ... Aunque lo que más manda huevos es que los própios británicos "regalaran" a Irlanda la independencia, y luego 6 décadas más tarde, casi provoca la III Guerra Mundial, llevándose todo su arsenal militar y ejércitos al culo del mundo (Islas Malvinas) y, encima, pidiendo ayuda a EE.UU. ... Y ahora han hecho la "gracia" de Escocia que podría haberles costado cara, pero si a algún exaltado autóctono se le hubiera ocurrido entrar en Gibraltar y plantar una bandera española en el peñón, me jugaría algo a que nos borraría a Madrid del mapa con un bombardeo nuclear.

    .... Sinceramente y pese a todo, yo hubiera olvidado las viejas rivalidades históricas, aunque fuera por un momento, y hubiera votado NO ... Mejor derribar fronteras a crearlas ...
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    Tinent de lo Regne
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    MENTRES NO S'OBRIGA ATRE FIL

    ESCOCIA NOO.


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    La gran diferencia entre el cas Escoces y el catalino - tal y com ha lligit per ahi - es: la educacio, el respecte y el civisme.

    Mentres que aci els catalans - en el seu govern al front - s'han dedicat a la kaleborroca social, a la persecucio del contrari, a la seua difamacio, a l'insult y a la coaccio y amenaces verbals - que son el primer pas de la violencia fisica (y agresions en han hagut) - buscant aporigar al contrari - pa que no parle, ni opine en contra - y/o a la neteja social - pa que se'n vaja a un atre puesto fora del condat de cataluña - fent tot aço en base a una propaganda institucional sectaria basà en la mentira y la manipulacio a lo llarc d'anys, ... en Escocia, en termens generals, tant els del "Yes" com els del "No" podien expresar y manifestar pacificament y en plena llibertat les seues opinions...

    Eixa es la diferencia entre un poble y un govern civilisat, respectuos y democratic - Escocia -, y un poble/govern tercermundiste totalitari que vol impondre per la força y la coaccio les mentires que ell mateixa ha creat - condat de cataluña... aixo per no parlar del seu caracter imperialiste nazi que el fa arramblar en uns atres territoris y en el patrimoni d'éstos (llengua, cultura, etc...).

    Una diferencia abismal entre els respectuosos escocesos y els totalitaris nazis imperialistes catalans.

  8. #8
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    En algo sí te tengo que dar la razón: y es que los escoceses, no me consta que hayan tenido ni un I.R.A., ni un Terra Lliure ... Y si Londres, pese al NO, decide otorgarle algunas competencias descentralizadores, en cierto modo, se lo han ganado, especialmente, por su civismo y tolerancia.
    Encanto Le gusta esto.
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  9. #9
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    Encara que ha eixit el "no" Arturet DameMas lord Farquaad continua en la seua fulla de ruta (pa vore si aixina escapa a les mans de la justicia).

    Encanto y a Lucía Les gusta esto

  10. #10
    General de lo Regne Avatar de paco1983
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    Yo estoy a favor de la independencia de Escocia por varios motivos:

    Escocia tiene una historia propia, con invasiones inglesas reales, no producto de la imaginación de un catalán

    Por culpa de Inglaterra,Portugal se independizo de España y los ingleses tienen una colonia en España llamada Gibraltar,asi que todo lo que sea malo para inglaterra siempre me alegrara

    El protagonista de trainspotting lo explica muy bien


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    Para mi el debate actual de la "independencia" de Cataluña se acaba con este simple argumento. Sí, "los catalanes tienen derecho a elegir si independizarse o no de España". Lo aceptamos. Todos los catalanes tienen derecho a a elegir y los municipios son las menores unidades históricas y administrativas que agrupan a los ciudadanos. Por tanto si en un municipio por ejemplo Badalona, Tarragona, Castelldefels, Reus, Tarragona, etc sale que quieren quedarse donde siempre han estado pues tienen ese derecho. Que los municipios que salga mayoría a favor de la independencia se independicen y en los que salga mayoría quedarse pues que sigan formando parte del Estado español. Lo mismo que el referendum no se quiere extender toda España si no a Cataluña, el referendum se debería extender municipio por municipio, no a toda Cataluña. A ver si un conjunto de municipios desperdigados formando un estado independiente van para adelante.

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    Skyline muy a pesar mio, pues yo si que les iba a dar independencia, pero total y absoluta ni uno ni veintiuno, ningun municipio pude pedir la independencia, asi se refleja en la constitución española:

    Titulo preliminar.
    Articulo 2- La Constitución se fundamenta en la indisoluble unidad de la Nación española, patria común e indivisible de todos los españoles, y reconoce y garantiza el derecho a la autonomía de las nacionalidades y regiones que la integran y la solidaridad entre todas ellas.

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