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  1. #31
    jor
    jor está desconectado
    Sargent Centenar
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    Cita Iniciado por GUAITA71 Ver mensaje
    O siga. Lo que yo dia... Tercera via pura i dura. Si la primera generacio de valencianistes haguera pensat com tu, o com poble, la marfega continuaria dalt del palau de la generalitat. Aixo d'aceptar els fets consumats mai ha anat en mosatros. En tu si?
    Em pareix que no saps lo que és la tercera via. La gent de POBLE ve d'ací: https://www.facebook.com/ConvencioValencianista

    Deuries llegir detenidament el manifest "Valencianisme 2012" (que són els principis inspiradors de POBLE) ans de dir coses que no són.

    Personalment, la cooficialitat junt a les normes de l'AVL no és una solució que em satisfaga, pero soc realiste i veig que hui no tenim ni això.

    Ademés, n'hi ha un important detall (per no dir problema) que oblides: la societat actual NO és com la de la primera generació de valencianistes (hui els valencians passen de tots estos temes) i per tant no podem esperar que actúen con s'actuava fa trenta anys, perque de lo contrari se quedarem sols i serà "la puntilla" per al valencianisme cultural. Devem buscar solucions realistes i urgents per a clavar el cap com pugam en el tema cultural, i (hui en dia) és molt més factible que els demés partits mos donen la possibilitat de ser cooficials que de canviar 180 graus tota la merda catalanera.
    L'autocrítica deuria començar per les persones que no fan coses pero critiquen als que intentem fer coses...

  2. #32
    Aspirant a Centenar Avatar de rafe1o
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    Aci teniu el video de la taula politica, perdoneu que haja tardat tant.

    https://youtu.be/fByDbWbYccw
    jor, GUAITA71, Xavier y 1 más Les gusta esto.

  3. #33
    Centenar de la Ploma Avatar de aguila_roja
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    Unir els diferents partits valencianistes (rames) en una sola canditadura (abre) seria molt ventajos a l'hora de la publicitat compartida que arribaria a molta més gent de lo que esta aplegant ara mateix; per eixemple per aci baix encara ningu ha sentit nomenar a cap d'estos partits. Cuanta més polvora duga el cohet y més gran siga, més gran tró amollará, de lo contrari seran chinetes que no es sentiran ni a la cera d'enfront y més en la cantidat de polvora (dinés) que gasten els panques y els meseteros. Fer un bon ABRE, en totes les seues rames, es lo que tocaria en estos moments.
    jor, adlerta, Xavier y 1 más Les gusta esto.
    Qui No Vullga Pols .......Que No Vaja a l'Era

  4. #34
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    Cita Iniciado por jor Ver mensaje
    Em pareix que no saps lo que és la tercera via. La gent de POBLE ve d'ací: https://www.facebook.com/ConvencioValencianista

    Deuries llegir detenidament el manifest "Valencianisme 2012" (que són els principis inspiradors de POBLE) ans de dir coses que no són.

    Personalment, la cooficialitat junt a les normes de l'AVL no és una solució que em satisfaga, pero soc realiste i veig que hui no tenim ni això.

    Ademés, n'hi ha un important detall (per no dir problema) que oblides: la societat actual NO és com la de la primera generació de valencianistes (hui els valencians passen de tots estos temes) i per tant no podem esperar que actúen con s'actuava fa trenta anys, perque de lo contrari se quedarem sols i serà "la puntilla" per al valencianisme cultural. Devem buscar solucions realistes i urgents per a clavar el cap com pugam en el tema cultural, i (hui en dia) és molt més factible que els demés partits mos donen la possibilitat de ser cooficials que de canviar 180 graus tota la merda catalanera.
    Yo tinc clarisim lo que es, lo que vol i qui son la tercera via en aço del valencianisme. Se de sobra d'a on ve Poble i lo que dia el manifest de Convencio Valencianista. El que pareix que no ho te clar eres tu. O ho tens massa clar. La AVL es un allinea roja que no estic dispost a creuar MAI. Per arrivar a cooficialitats en el catalanisme no feen falta 38 anys de lluita.... Pero tu mateixa.
    adlerta, ulls blaus y a hecrumu Les gusta esto.

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    Gracies com sempre a Rafe1o per la faena que fa y que no es agraida pels dels partits politics que van buscant el vot dels valencians , que no son ni per agrair al G.A.V. ni a la seua gent de la divulgacio de dits actes
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    Yo tinc clarisim lo que es, lo que vol i qui son la tercera via en aço del valencianisme. Se de sobra d'a on ve Poble i lo que dia el manifest de Convencio Valencianista. El que pareix que no ho te clar eres tu. O ho tens massa clar. La AVL es un allinea roja que no estic dispost a creuar MAI. Per arrivar a cooficialitats en el catalanisme no feen falta 38 anys de lluita.... Pero tu mateixa.
    Conec a molts membres de POBLE des de fa anys i son valencianistes de cap a peus. I no vullc donar noms, pero entre ells estan alguns histórics del valencianisme en un historial fora de tot dubte.

    Dir que gent relacionada en el Rogle o l' IEV son tercervieros no te el menor trellat. Es com dir que volen tirarse pedres ad ells mateixos.

    Tampoc te sentir parlar de "claudicacio", per que no es por claudicar quan u no te res que perdre. I el valencianisme actualment no te res que perdre. O acas son oficials les Normes del Puig i yo no m'he enterat?

    Si t'hagueres llegit el llibre "Consens per al futur" no diries lo que dius.

    I si vegeres el video de rafelo en deteniment vories con Albert Clemente deixa ben clara la seua opinio sobre l'AVL, i que la cooficialitat seria "un primer pas" perque el proces de canvi será llarc. Un mal de decades no es pot llevar en quatre dies.

    Yo entenc que si despres de 38 anys de lluita no hem conseguit mes que afonar-mos en el fanc cada volta mes, esta clar que alguna cosa no funciona i devem cambiar d'estrategia (lo que no significa en absolut renunciar als objetius que sempre ha defes el valencianisme).
    L'autocrítica deuria començar per les persones que no fan coses pero critiquen als que intentem fer coses...

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    Conec a molts membres de POBLE des de fa anys i son valencianistes de cap a peus. I no vullc donar noms, pero entre ells estan alguns histórics del valencianisme en un historial fora de tot dubte.

    Dir que gent relacionada en el Rogle o l' IEV son tercervieros no te el menor trellat. Es com dir que volen tirarse pedres ad ells mateixos.

    Tampoc te sentir parlar de "claudicacio", per que no es por claudicar quan u no te res que perdre. I el valencianisme actualment no te res que perdre. O acas son oficials les Normes del Puig i yo no m'he enterat?

    Si t'hagueres llegit el llibre "Consens per al futur" no diries lo que dius.

    I si vegeres el video de rafelo en deteniment vories con Albert Clemente deixa ben clara la seua opinio sobre l'AVL, i que la cooficialitat seria "un primer pas" perque el proces de canvi será llarc. Un mal de decades no es pot llevar en quatre dies.

    Yo entenc que si despres de 38 anys de lluita no hem conseguit mes que afonar-mos en el fanc cada volta mes, esta clar que alguna cosa no funciona i devem cambiar d'estrategia (lo que no significa en absolut renunciar als objetius que sempre ha defes el valencianisme).
    Com sempre faç, estas presuponent coses que no saps. Com t'atrevixes a presupondre quins llibre m'he llegit i quins no? Qui eres tu per a dir si yo he escoltat en deteniment o no la taula redona (per a escomensar, yo estigui. I tu?). I precisament perque concec personalment a eixos historics del valencianisme, se el seu malestar en la ponencia de educacio de Poble.... Un poquet mes d'humiltat no t'aniria gens mal.

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    Com sempre faç, estas presuponent coses que no saps.
    Li diu el mort al degollat...

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    Com t'atrevixes a presupondre? Qui eres tu per a dir.... Un poquet mes d'humiltat no t'aniria gens mal.
    L'autocrítica deuria començar per les persones que no fan coses pero critiquen als que intentem fer coses...

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    No sigues cinic. Te recorde que yo a soles vaig fer un comentari que me va aplegar del congres de Poble i tu, com sempre, has montat tota la polemica de despres. No tens remei, i lo pijor es que actituts com la teua son les que han cremat a molts valencianistes a monto mes valits que tu i que yo. Pero que anem a fer-li..."El valencianisme soc yo". A que si Jor?

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    No sigues cinic.No tens remei, i lo pijor es que actituts com la teua son les que han cremat a molts valencianistes a monto mes valits que tu i que yo. Pero que anem a fer-li..."El valencianisme soc yo". A que si Jor?
    No home, si el valencianisme eres "tú, y tú, y tú y nadie más que tú, y tú, y tú..." I "OJO" que ningú "s'atrevixca a presupondre res de tú, perque ací l'únic en dret a presupondre coses dels demés (sense justificació, ademés), eres tú ¿A que sí?

    Ay qué risa tía Felisa... Açò pareix el món al revés...

    ¿Em pots dir que fica en les pàgines 25 i 26 del llibre "Consens per al futur"?

    Simple curiositat... Com dius que t'has llegit el manifest de la Convenció Valencianista...

    En fi...
    L'autocrítica deuria començar per les persones que no fan coses pero critiquen als que intentem fer coses...

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    programes sencers, ans de sentenciar i condenar a ningú.
    sencer= catalá
    SANCER= valenciá
    ¡GERMANS DE BREGA!

    FRONT A L'IMPERIALISME CATALÁ

    JOVENS LLIURES VALENCIANS

    RESISTENCIA VALENCIANA

    UNIXTE A MOSATROS

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    sencer= catalá
    SANCER= valenciá
    Gràcies per la correcció.
    adlerta Le gusta esto.
    L'autocrítica deuria començar per les persones que no fan coses pero critiquen als que intentem fer coses...

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