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  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    15 ene, 06
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    Necesito consejo

    Una de mis mejores amigas se ha liado con un pancatalanista. Y el tio le está comiendo la cabeza mogollón. Yo sé que no tiene razón, pero a veces me da unos argumentos a los que no sé que contestarle.
    Que le puedo decir??

  2. #2
    Sargent Centenar Avatar de mai_mos_fareu_catalans
    Fecha de ingreso
    03 ene, 06
    Ubicación
    REINO DE VALENCIA
    Mensajes
    1,010
    Hola Carola, lo mejor es que tu amiga deje a ese aprendiz de terrorista . No se puede convencer a la incultura (lo digo por su novio), pero si defenderse de ella. Te propongo que nos digas que argumentos o historias él te cuenta y te apoyaremos e informaremos. De igual manera, lo más tipico para ellos es decir que si catalanes y valencianos nos entendemos,... porque decimos que es diferente lengua. Bien, gallegos y portugueses se entienden, daneses y suecos, y asÃ* un sin fin de diferentes comunidades. Sin embargo a pesar de que se entienden, a todos se les reconoce la lengua como propia. De eso se trata. Nosotros podemos entender a un catalán (no siempre), pero nuestra lengua es el Valenciano. No el catalán. De todas maneras no pierdas el tiempo...no encontraras nada de cerebro en el novio de tu amiga y mucha intolerancia. Un saludo
    Y UN DIA EL PUEBLO SE LEVANTARA Y DIRA BASTA!!! NO AL IMPERIALISMO CATALAN!!

  3. #3
    Aspirant a Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    15 ene, 06
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    Lo que me dice es que en Cuba, Argentina i demás paises sudamericanos se habla lengua castellana, pero muy diferente a la que hablamos aquÃ*. A veces cuesta entender a esas personas, en cambio es la misma lengua. Pues el valenciano y el catalan igual. Pueden parecer diferentes en algunas cosas pero es la misma lengua.

    ¿Qué le contesto a eso?

    Gracias por adelantado

  4. #4
    Cavaller Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    01 ene, 05
    Ubicación
    Valéncia
    Mensajes
    1,570
    Carola quan torne a dir aixo, pots gastar este articul d'en Ferrer. Sols tens que canviar lo de andalus per lo de argenti, cuba i demes que dius que diu el novio de la teua amiga:

    ValenciÃ* i andalus:el joc de les 7 diferencies

    Molt a sovint, en un alarde d’ignorancia, de manipulacio o d’abdos coses, es soste la següent tesis: “el ValenciÃ* es la mateixa llengua que el catala, considerar el ValenciÃ* com una llengua distinta de la catalana serÃ*a com si considerarem a l’andalus un idioma distint del castellÃ*”. Pero ¿realment es aixina? ¿Els casos del ValenciÃ* i de l’andalus son identics? Al llector li proponc un joc, els de les 7 diferencies; a vore si pot trobar-les.

    1) La societat andalusa considera que l’andalus i l’espanyol son la mateixa llengua. La societat valenciana afirma que ValenciÃ* i catala son dos idiomes distints (concretament, el 70% dels valencians segons el CIS de 2004).

    2) Parlant de lliteratura, Andalucia no ha tengut mai un Sigle d’Or. Valencia va tindre el primer Sigle d’Or de totes les llengües neollatines –el sigle XV-, sigles abans de que naixquera Catalunya. Es ben significatiu aixo.

    3) Els escritors andalusos sempre han afirmat escriure en espanyol o castella. Per contra, cap autor del Segle d’Or afirmÃ* MAI escriure en catala o que el ValenciÃ* i el catala foren la mateixa llengua. Torne a repetir-ho: CAP.

    4) En Andalucia no hi ha textos seculars d’autors andalusos que diferencien entre andalus i castellÃ*. Pero en Valencia sÃ* existixen. De fet, Fra Antoni Canals, en 1395 afirmÃ*: “(...) el tret de lati en nostra vulgada lengua materna valenciana, exi breu com he pogut, jatse sia que altres lagen tret en lengua catalana”. Mes claret aigua ¿no?

    5) En Andalucia sempre s’ha utilisat la denominacio “espanyol o castellÃ*” per a referir-se a la seua llengua. I en l’actualitat -llevat de casos excepcionals- ningu contradiu eixa nomenclatura. En Valencia tota la vida s’ha afirmat parlar en ValenciÃ*, i nomes des de temps historics recents hi ha un intent de dir-li catala a la llengua dels valencians, concretament des del naiximent del nacionalisme expansioniste catala, datat a finals del sigle XIX.

    6) Andalucia no existia abans que Espanya. Per contra, Valencia existia sigles abans del naiximent de Catalunya. Ho dic mes que res perque els llocs geografics son els que otorguen el nom a un idioma ¿vitat que si?

    7) No hi ha autors espanyols (significatius) que reconeguen l’andalus com idioma distint del castellÃ*. Pero sÃ* hi ha de catalans que admeten que ValenciÃ* i catala no son la mateixa llengua: Pompeu Fabra, Antoni Badia Margarit, Antoni Rubió i Lluch, Manuel Montoliu, Francesc Carreras i Candi, Francesc Pi i Margall, etc.

    CONCLUSIO: Sense eixir de la Peninsula, trobem tambe el cas del gallec i el portugues, dos llengües besones que s’entenen entre si i que oficialment son dos idiomes independents. En eixe model es en el que de veritat encaixa el cas valenciÃ*-catala (i no en el cas andalus-castellÃ* com torticerament volen fer creure). Pero clar, si el ValenciÃ* es compara en el gallec (i no en l’andalus com volen) tota la pseudociencia catalanufa se vindria abaix.

    AUTOR:FERRER

    Com voras, en este text li podras callar la boca al "warro" ixe .
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    tb te podrias hacer amiga de el catalanistas y facilitarnos informacion sobre el para ablar con el y aconsejarle otros puntos de vista para q pueda ver la luz qitarle la confusion , no se si me entiendes tienes q hacerte amiga de el.seguro q es muy majo.

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    Aixo aixo que l'utilise per a traure informacio, que mos vindra molt be, encara que en lo de que el Roder de Benimaclet es pederasta ya ni ha prou.

    Damunt al novio de la teua amiga li podem donar alguna "lliço" que atra d'historia .

    ¡¡¡ MAI MOS FARAN CATALANS !!!

    Secc.Vieja Guardia 71
    JOVENTUTS.GAV

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    Gracias Jesvalen!! Me ha ayudado mucho el artÃ*culo. A la próxima conversación se lo suelto todo.

    Cita Iniciado por sarasa
    tb te podrias hacer amiga de el catalanistas y facilitarnos informacion sobre el para ablar con el y aconsejarle otros puntos de vista para q pueda ver la luz qitarle la confusion , no se si me entiendes tienes q hacerte amiga de el.seguro q es muy majo.
    en el fondo es buen tipo, lo que pasa es que le han comido la cabeza

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    Léete: Nacionalismo Catalán una Gran Farsa.
    Lo encontraras en el Emule

    De todas formas no te quemes mucho, los catalanistas son muy sectarios y no se avienen a razones arguméntales fácilmente, ellos siguen con el mantra que les han inculcado y no hay mucho que hacer.

    Solución: Pasa de el olÃ*mpicamente y si tu amiga no hace lo mismo es que no sabe valorar el consejo de una buena amiga.

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    Pues le pegas hasta que entre en razon ! xD

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    No violencia Kiren....solo "tolerancia"

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    La violencia la debe ejercer la policÃ*a cuando hacen una manifestación los de Batasuna.La violencia no siempre es mala.El Bono decÃ*a que él preferÃ*a morir a matar y es una de las gilipolleces del Bono.El ejército que dirige Bono está para matar en defensa propia cuando menos.
    Perdón si me he desviado del tema.
    Yo no dialogo con catalanes sectarios,tengo otras cosas más importantes que hacer como mirar envases cada vez que voy a un supermercado nuevo para no comprar productos envasados en cataluña.
    Abrazos.

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    yo tambien tengo un conocido naZionalista catalan, lo que mas les jode esque le taches de fascista por su comportamiento muchas veces se qdan callados, en cuanto al idioma siempre dice q el valenciano es dialecto como lo es el andaluz del español, lo mejor es pasar de ellos al poco tiempo se qdan sin argumentos

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    Re: Necesito consejo

    hola carola,antes que nada quisiera deciralgo para todos,una pagina del meu poble,es catarroja.com,aqui encontrareis n foro de discusion,como este,entrar en el foro,y buscar un tema que se dice la verdad sobre el catalan,le hacen una encuesta a un catalan obre el buen catalan,leedlo porfavor,e imprimirlo par enseñarselo a todos los que podais,porfavor.
    diho esto,te comento,carola,claro que se entiende el catalan,si hablas valenciano,pero el que habla valnciano,o catalan notan que no es lo mismo,pero si lo ecucha alguien que no sabe ningunade las dos lenguas,les parece lomismo,pero mira que ejemplo mas bueno te pongo.
    mi hermana tiene gemelos,los queno los conocen de diario dicen(son iguales),pero nosotros que los conocemos de diario,sabemos diferenciar con un simple vistazo,quien es quien.aplica esto a la lengua.
    aahhhhhhh,el portuges,viene del gallego,poca gene sabe eso,pero nunca escuche decir que el portuges no e un idioma,o que es un dialecto del gallego,si aplicasemos las tesis catalanistas,todo lo que se habla por el sur de europa son dialectos del latin.

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