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La denominació `Llengua Valenciana´

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Tema: La denominació `Llengua Valenciana´

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    La denominació `Llengua Valenciana´

    El comentari expositiu del ‘Liber amici et amati’, escrit en llatí, originari de Ramon Llull, que es troba en el foli 34v del manuscrit ‘N. 250. sup’ de la Biblioteca Ambrosiana de Milà, diu: “Ista expositio excerpta fuit ex magno volumine in lingua valentina composito per quemdam discipulum Raymundi. Inceptum Valentie mense decembris et finito mense Martii anni 1335. Laus Deo”.

    Que vol dir en valencià:
    “Esta exposició fon treta d’un gran volum compost en llengua valenciana per un cert discipul de Ramon (Llull). Escomençat en Valencia el mes de decembre i acabat el mes de març de 1335. Deu siga lloat”.

    Es tracta d’una obra anonima, eixida de la produccio de la primera escola luliana, que esclatà en Valencia al poc de temps de la mort del mestre (1316). En el prolec del manuscrit del ‘Libre d’Amic e Amat’ es llig: “Io pecador indigne que mon nom hic sia scrit”. Trobem la mateixa frase en el ‘Libre de Benedicta tu’, de 1335 i en ‘l’Art de la confessio’, de 1336. També anonim i acabat en Valencia l’any 1337 es l’obra ‘De magnitude e parvitate hominis’. En canvi, si es presenta l’autor de ‘Art Memorativa’: Bernat Garí. L’escola luliana valenciana, capitanejada per Pere Rosell, fon atacada i perseguida per l’inquisidor català Nicolau Eimeric.

    Encara que el manuscrit del ‘Liber amici et amati’ del que es parla, es del sigle XVI, l’autenticitat de la datacio del ‘explicit’, es corroborada pel ‘Centre de Documentació Ramon Llull’, de l’Universitat de Barcelona, quan expon: “De 1335 data el primer comentari expositiu del ‘Llibre d’amic e amat’.... Una versió posterior del comentari, aquesta en català, data de 1492 i és conservada pel Ms. T d’una col·lecció privada barcelonina: “una comparació superficial entre el text dels dos mss. ara esmentats permet de comprovar-ne la dependència”.

    La cita del ‘Liber amici et amati’ que hui es trau a public coneiximent, fon publicada en 1954, en la pagina 132 del volum IV del ‘Libre d’evast e Blanquerna’ de la coleccio ‘Els nostres clàssics’. Tambe consta en ‘Un quadrienni de producció lullística a València (1335-133’, que es troba entre les pagines 22-30 del llibre: ‘Studia Monographica et Recensiones’, 1951 (p. 24), que referix al ‘Viatge d’investigació a les Biblioteques de Munich y Milà, Anuari de l’Institut d’Estudis Catalans’, 1908, p. 609.

    La primera consecuencia que s’extrau es que el ‘bateig lliterari’ de la llengua valenciana s’alvança al del català. Efectivament, Antonio Rubio i Lluch, en el discurs que feu el 1930 en la Real Academia Espanyola digué respecte del català que “nos parece asistir a su solemne bautizo....”, quan Pere IV ordenà “que el Lanzarote fuera traducido ... en llengua catalana”. Si el solemne bateig de la llengua catalana fon el 1362, comprovem que el bateig de la llengua valenciana tingué lloc, com a minim, 27 anys mes pronte, en 1335.
    Segons aço, la constatacio de la conciencia d’identitat llinguistica dels valencians, s’alvançaria de forma important en el temps, fent-se ascles tots els esquemes que sobre el nom de la nostra llengua han ensomiat els catalanistes.

    Recordem, que en 1521 Joan Bonlabi, català, natural de Rocafort de Queralt, per encarrec de Gregori Genovart, mallorquí, repetia la jugada respecte del ‘Blanquerna’, de Ramon Lull: “... Traduit: y corregit ara novament dels primers originals: y estampat en llengua Valenciana...”. En ‘l’Epistola Proemial’ diu: “Segons me preguà, ne prengués yo lo carrech conexent me affectat a la ciencia de aquell en que no y sia docte, ni menys llimat en dita lengua com sia a mi peregrina y strangera”.

    En 1749, es feu en Palma de Mallorca una versio en castellà. Llegim: “Blanquerna, maestro de la perfección...”. Traducido fielmente ahora de el valenciano, y de un antiguo manuscrito lemosino, en lengua castellana”.

    Els valencians hem de saber que no existix ni una sola cita historica, no moderna, que puga demostrar que algun valencià haja dit parlar o esciure en català. L’AVL, hauria de pendre bona nota.

    Fa poc, el president Camps digué en la sessio d’investidura, que els valencians haviem de sentir-nos orgullosos del nostre passat per a mirar de cara al futur. Per a sentir-nos orgullosos del nostre passat, hem de coneixer-lo, per a lo que haurem de contrarrestar les mentires i manipulacions dels intoxicadors oficials, a la major part dels quals, per a mes inri, paguem entre tots els valencians. O desempellugar-nos d’ells Aixina, les gents d’esta terra serem lo que digue Eximenis en 1383 que erem: “pus paguades que de qualsevol altra nacio que y sia engir ni entorn.” ¿Va de bo?

    sacado de Valéncia hui tambien la podeis ver aki http://www.valenciapersempre.es/inde...rticle&sid=206
    Vista la web valencianismo.com

    la web del valencianismo

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    Acabava de llegir-lo de la pàgina de Valencia Hui.

    Està pero que molt be l'articul.
    <img src=\'http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7956/nelolu0.gif\'>
    <img src=\'http://www.puntval.org/img/puntval468.gif\'>

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    yo me l'acabava de comprar

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    yo tambien lo acababa de leer , suelo guardarme todos estos articulos

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    Efectivament, en el sigle XIV nigu dubtava de l`identitat de la Llengua Valenciana ni de la nacionalitat valenciana dels ciutadans valencians.

    Molt al contrari que el terme "Nacio Espanyola" i "Lengua Espanyola" apareguts en 1812 i 1924 respectivament.

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    Efectivament, en el sigle XIV nigu dubtava de l`identitat de la Llengua Valenciana ni de la nacionalitat valenciana dels ciutadans valencians.

    Molt al contrari que el terme "Nacio Espanyola" i "Lengua Espanyola" apareguts en 1812 i 1924 respectivament.
    Ya he tancat hui un fil en el que se parlava d'aço, i pareix que t'agrade que se tanquen...

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    Efectivament, en el sigle XIV nigu dubtava de l`identitat de la Llengua Valenciana ni de la nacionalitat valenciana dels ciutadans valencians.

    Molt al contrari que el terme "Nacio Espanyola" i "Lengua Espanyola" apareguts en 1812 i 1924 respectivament.
    Ya he tancat hui un fil en el que se parlava d'aço, i pareix que t'agrade que se tanquen... Per a ta informacio, Jaume I va reconquistar Valéncia per als "reis d'espanya".

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    Interesant l'articul si. Yo anava buscant un que ixqué en el levante fa un temps i que es el primer text a on se fa referència a la llengua valenciana en el terme "valencianesch" datat abans del d'Antoni Canals. Si algú té l'articul o l'enllaç per favor agrairia que me'l fera aplegar. Gràcies.

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    Molt bo l'articul aradin
    Gav Gandia

    GAV des de 1977 fent valencianisme y mes forts que mai...

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    En contestacio a "Mussol" que buscava un enllaç a l'articul del "Valencianesch" del Levante, crec que es este:
    http://www.levante-emv.com/media/doc...06_endoint.pdf

    Espere que siga lo que busques.

    www.softwarevalencia.com
    \"Internet mos fara lliures\" - Software Valencià - <a href=\"http://www.softwarevalencia.com/google/\" target=\"blank\">Google en Valencià</a>
    <img src=\"http://www.softwarevalencia.com/sv.png\">

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    Conforme a lo que diu l'articul catalanero del Levante:

    http://www.levante-emv.com/media/doc...06_endoint.pdf

    "la primera mención al habla particular del Reino de Valencia es la de «valencianesch » y aparece en un documento menorquín datado entre 1343 y 1346, cincuenta años antes de la que hasta ahora se consideraba la referencia más antigua, la de fray Antoni Canals, que en la dedicatoria de la obra Valeri Màxim, de 1395, decía que la había traducido en «vulgada llengua materna valenciana».
    ...
    La referencia la localizaron en una miscelánea jurídica... Este volumen recogía un proceso judicial de Menorca contra un tal Gil de Lozano, fechado entre 1343 y 1346, en el que se hace constar que la madre de este (Sibila de nombre) hablaba valencianesch porque era de Orihuela."


    Per moltes mentires y voltes que li peguen els catalanistes esta clar que "unitat" de les llengües res de res. Com a minim, ya en 1343-46 els menorquins se donaven conte que els valencians parlaven Valencià, llengua distinta i diferent a la d'ells.

    Per cert ¿ ningu s'ha parat a pensar que es molt possible que existixquen atres cites, referencies i documents mes antics encara que proven l'existencia i independencia de la llengua Valenciana del catala i que els catalanistes han pogut amagar o destruir perque van en contra dels seus interessos nazionalkatalanistes ?
    Eixa es la clau de per qué els catalans no volen tornar a Valencia els documents valencians que tenen secuestrats en el fals archiu de la corona d'Arago de Barcelona.

    P.D: per cert, la referencia de "valencianesch", apareguda en un document menorqui original del sigle XIV (no en un transllat d'un atre sigle posterior) tambe es anterior a la del "bateig" del catala.

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    En contestacio a "Mussol" que buscava un enllaç a l'articul del "Valencianesch" del Levante, crec que es este:
    http://www.levante-emv.com/media/doc...06_endoint.pdf

    Espere que siga lo que busques.

    www.softwarevalencia.com
    Si senyor, era eixe, mil gràcies. La veritat es que yo vaig llegir una noticia curta, pero este document està molt be.

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    Cita Iniciado por softwareval
    En contestacio a "Mussol" que buscava un enllaç a l'articul del "Valencianesch" del Levante, crec que es este:
    http://www.levante-emv.com/media/doc...06_endoint.pdf

    Espere que siga lo que busques.

    www.softwarevalencia.com
    Si senyor, era eixe, mil gràcies. La veritat es que yo vaig llegir una noticia curta, pero este document està molt be.

    Molt de cuidao al llechir coses del Llevante-EMV, fan catalanisme hasta en les comes. Tingau en conter que es el mich de comunicasio mes important del catalanisme en el Regne.
    "Creer que el valenciano es un dialecto del catalán es comprensible, como también lo es creer que nuestro dios es Dios." (VOB)

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