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  1. #1
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    03 ene, 07
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    Valencia&Denia
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    Dejemos estar al PP...

    Bueno tratare de ser "breve"...
    Llevo tiempo oyendo comentarios parecidos y viendo iniciativas via pagina WEB que la verdad es que no están nada mal, tratando de mostrar que el PP es catalanista...
    Está claro que el PP no es valencianista, bueno mejor dicho, no obra como tal. Pero de ahi a decir que son catalanistas...
    A mi juicio es eso lo que provoca que la gente nos mire y nos trate de extremistas...
    Digo esto porque hoy en dia hay muchisimos mas valencianistas votantes del PP que nosotros, es decir, lo que eramos nosotros el día previo a conocer esta maravillosa web. Y lo digo por comentarios que he oido durante estos últimos meses (en especial durante el periodo electoral) y al comentar nuestras iniciativas, la gente ofrece apoyo y les parecen ideas geniales, pero cuando a esa misma gente se le dice que el PP es catalanista, es cuando les cambia la cara.
    Creo que diciendo eso, nos reducimos en parte al nivel de los catalanistas que dicen que CIU y el PSC no son catalanistas... (manteniendo las distancias).
    Para conseguir mucho más apoyo, hay que cuidar la imagen que desde el exterior se tenga de nosotros, puesto que informandoles, documentandoles, opinando, dando a conocer campañas y llevar iniciativas producen resultados favorables, pero hacer comentarios como el que llevo haciendo referencia durante todo el Post... producen reacciones negativas en la gente que lleva 40 años pensando lo contrario...
    Demos caña al PP y presionemosles, pero dejemolos estar en ese tema... Reitero, para decir todo esto me he basado en decenas de comentarios que me ha hecho la gente, desde gente que me veia colocar pegatinas hasta amigos cercanos...
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    Home puix si tens raó la veritat es que si n oes que siguen del tot catalanistes pero entonses pa que deixen un edifici històric pa catalanisme? pa que donde diners i repartixen llibres? pa que tenen l'AVL? perque no la lleven son moltes preguntes sense resposta i mosatros aixina estem cada vegà pijor en el catalanisme

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    Dicho lo anterior comparto tu opnión.

    Igual que muhos se tragan que el Bloc es nacionalista valenciano, hay mucha gente que no entiende que el PP sea catalanista por omisión o por interes politico.

    Cuando les cuentas el pacto del Majestic, que es realmente la AVLc y demás, las opiniones cambian, pero si de primeras le sueltas lo de que son pancas, como se ponen a la defensiva, no se consigue nada.


    Buena reflexión richardvlc2

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    Siento discrepar de que el PP (al menos el PP valenciano) no sea catalanista, y voy a citarte el "TONTO ES EL QUE HACE TONTERÍAS" (que conste que no va por tí) del gran filósofo Forrest Gump. Si el PP (al menos el valenciano) favorece al pancatalanismo (o hace "catalanadas), el refrán sale sólo: "CATALANISTA ES EL QUE HACE CATALANADAS".


    Moraleja: El PP valenciano es catalanista.

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    Siento discrepar de que el PP (al menos el PP valenciano) no sea catalanista, y voy a citarte el "TONTO ES EL QUE HACE TONTERÍAS" (que conste que no va por tí) del gran filósofo Forrest Gump. Si el PP (al menos el valenciano) favorece al pancatalanismo (o hace "catalanadas), el refrán sale sólo: "CATALANISTA ES EL QUE HACE CATALANADAS".


    Moraleja: El PP valenciano es catalanista.
    Ya y el Bloc es pancatalanista radical, pero la gente que les vota, en muchos casos, no tiene esa imagen y, si de buenas a primeras les sueltas que el PP es panca, ellos rápidamente te enmaran como radical y ya no razonan.


    Por eso, tiene razón Vlc se tendría que pensar una estrategia para desenmascararlos. Algo sumamente jodido, pues sus medios de propaganda, digo comunicación son abrumadoramente superiores (Ojo los del PP, los del PSOE y los del nacionalismo catalán tramontanero).

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    Ya y el Bloc es pancatalanista radical, pero la gente que les vota, en muchos casos, no tiene esa imagen y, si de buenas a primeras les sueltas que el PP es panca, ellos rápidamente te enmaran como radical y ya no razonan.


    Por eso, tiene razón Vlc se tendría que pensar una estrategia para desenmascararlos. Algo sumamente jodido, pues sus medios de propaganda, digo comunicación son abrumadoramente superiores (Ojo los del PP, los del PSOE y los del nacionalismo catalán tramontanero).
    Hombre, eso no lo cuestiono porque es cierto. Lo que cuestionaba era las palabras de richardvlc2 tipo "Dejemos en paz al PP" o "Está claro que el PP no es valencianista, bueno mejor dicho, no obra como tal. Pero de ahi a decir que son catalanistas..." porque si el PP lo hace mal, es porque es malo, y si queremos que la gente se dé cuenta y que las cosas cambien lo que no se puede hacer es "dejar las cosas en paz y au" sino justo lo contrario: airearlas bien. Vosotros tranquis que estamos trabajando en ello.

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    Esta claro que no obran de acuerdo a la valencianía que predican, y JOGIM, no te voy a quitar razón, por eso hay que dejar que la gente se de cuenta, no dandoles la bienvenida a la web con posts que pongan PP=Catalanista, hecho sobre el cual centro mis críticas...
    La documentación la gente la lee, y esos posts, siempre que vengan encabezados con algo relacionado con PP=CATALANISTA, produce rechazo entre los visitantes... y ultimamente el foro se está centrando bastante en ese tema...
    No estoy alabando al PP, pero hacer una propaganda electoral argumentando que el PP es catalanista, nos da una imagen que no tenemos...
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    la verdad es que ha dia de hoy PP,PSOE,BLOC,EU,ERC etc..no son valencianistas,hay que informar a la gente.Se que es duro asumirlo para los peperos ,pero es la puta verdad,ami tambien me pasaba eso,no lo creia hasta que empece a documentarme un poco y me di cuenta de la traicion del PP,la AVL,esto ha sido el golpe de gracia para la ya masacrada lengua valenciana,¿porque el PP teniendo mayoria OFICIALIZA EL CATALAN EN VALENCIA?gracias a la catalanista AVL en el colegio estudian catalan,nos han anulado nuestra lengua y cultura valenciana por la catalana,pero claro la gente ve Academia Valenciana de la Lengua AVL y se cree que es valenciano,nos estan tomando el pelo los del PP y hay que decirlo.

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    hay que dejar que la gente se de cuenta, no dandoles la bienvenida a la web con posts que pongan PP=Catalanista
    Pues pondremos "PP filántropos y macizorros, Rita me pones malo tia buena". Al fín y al cabo tienen tanta porquería detrás que las mentiras se les pueden desmontar facilmente.

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    Los hechos son los hechos, puede que sea mejor de la otra manera, pero es lo que hay....se lo han ganado a pulso

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    RICHARDVLC2 solo te digo q si es verad q hay gente q al decirle q el pp es catalanero se extraña y escandaliza... pero tu desde pequeño tragastes catalan en la escuela, instituto, universidad, canal 9 organismos publicos..., etc, siempre nos han usado como moneda de cambio,,, desde antaño q lo siguen haciendo, si no mira el gran AZNARin q obtuvo el apoyo de jordi pujol acambio de catalanizar, oficilizando en estatutos q nuestro idioma era catalan

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    EL PP =CATALANISTA,SI EL PP FUERA VALENCIANISTA HOY EN DIA NO ESTARIAMOS AQUI O SI,EN VALENCIAFREEDOM. ETC.. O ESQUE ESTAS CIEGO CON LO QUE HACEN LOS PUT.. PEPEROS,ESTAN ACTUALMENTE EN EL PODER DE VALENCIA Y LLA LO VESS,CREO QUE PACTARIAN ANTES CON ERC QUE CON COALICION VALENCIANA

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    ademas lo que estamos diciendo son verdades,los que dicen mEntiras del PP son los del PSOE, pero aqui de las cosas que nos quejamos del PP son ciertas,el PP en el tema de la cultura valenciana lo ha echo fatal ya que ha favorecido la cultura catalana frente a la valenciana,yo tambien era del PP,pero antes que 'pepero' soy valencianista y el valencianismo esta por encima de los partidos

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