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  1. #1
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    Sobre el nou Estatut Valencia...


    Si ya habeu pogut llegir el nou Estatut Valencia, habreu vist les contradiccions que te quan parla sobre tot, del valenciÃ*.

    En el Articul 6 del Estatut es pot llegir:

    1.La llengua propia de la Comunitat Valenciana es el valenciÃ*.
    2.El Idioma ValenciÃ* es el oficial en la Comunitat Valenciana, al igual que ho es el castella, que es el idioma oficial de l’estat. Tots tenen dret a coneixer-los i usar-los i a rebre la ensenyança d’ell, i en, Idioma ValenciÃ*.


    Ara mos votem 3 punts i apareix aço:

    6.La llei establira els criteris d’aplicacio de la llengua propia en l’administracio i l’ensenyança.

    Ara votem un punt mes i arribem a aço:

    8. L’Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua es la institucio normativa del Idioma Valencia.

    En este punt ya tenim la primera contradiccio, recordem que l’AVL no reconeix l’existencia del Idioma Valencia, llavors com pot ser esta la “institucio normativa”???

    Continuem:

    Seccio Segona
    De les institucions consultives i normatives de la Generalitat


    En el Articul 41. L’Academia Valenciana de la Llengua

    L’Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua, institucio de la Generalitat de carácter public, te per funcio determinar i elaborar, en el seu cas, la normativa lingüÃ*stica del Idioma Valencia. (Tornem a lo mateix d’abans, ¿¿com te que regular un idioma del qual nega s’ha existencia??)

    Continuem en el mateix punt:

    La normativa lingüÃ*stica de l’Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua sera de aplicacio obligatoria en totes les administracions publiques de la Comunitat Valenciana.

    Puix be, que contradiccio trobem en esta part del Articul41?? Recordem que segons el punt 6 de l’Articul 6, les administracions deuran gastar la llengua propia, i segons els punts 1 i 2 del mateix Articul, la llengua propia dels valencians es el Idioma Valencia, pero ya sabem lo que pasa en l’AVL, segons esta academia el Idioma Valencia no existix... Llavors ¿¿que es lo que sobra dins del nou estatut valencia i fa que dins del mateix apareguen varies contradiccions??

    La resposta es obvia ¿¿no??
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    Be, com molt be dius existix una contradiccio entre lo que l'Estatut diu i la llengua que vol normativisar la AVL, que es la catalana.
    Pero el problema no el té l'Estatut, ni l'idioma ValenciÃ*, ni els valenciaparlants, el problema el té la AVL que vol normativisar atra llengua diferent a la que per MAXIMA LLEI (Estatut) esta obligÃ* a normativisar, defendre i potenciar: IDIOMA VALENCIÀ.

    A partir d'ara ya heu sap la AVL: TE QUE NORMATIVISAR A L'IDIOMA VALENCIÀ i NO al CATALÀ ni a qualsevol atre. Per la seua propia llei de creacio i per l'Estatut esta OBLIGÀ a aixo. Com esta clar que no hu esta fent pos es evident que la AVL esta INCOMPLINT LA LLEI i per tant els seus dictamens o gramatiques son illegals i no tenen validea llegal alguna sense que ningu tinga l'obligacio de seguir normatives o dictamens illegals.

    O canvia la AVL i treballa pel genui idioma Valencia (queheu veig dificil ya que esta tota plena de catalanistes) o al final la reventarem per illegal i catalanista.

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    Yo no dic que la culpa la tinga l'Estatut, ni l'idioma ValenciÃ*, ni els valenciaparlants... totes les contradiccions que te l'Estatut valencia son per culpa de l'AVLc.
    La culpa es de l'AVLc i com dius tu:
    la AVL esta INCOMPLINT LA LLEI i per tant els seus dictamens o gramatiques son illegals i no tenen validea llegal alguna sense que ningu tinga l'obligacio de seguir normatives o dictamens illegals.
    I sobre aço:
    O canvia la AVL i treballa pel genui idioma Valencia (queheu veig dificil ya que esta tota plena de catalanistes) o al final la reventarem per illegal i catalanista.
    Que no canvie, tombar-la, la tombarem, pero que una academia com esta no s'encarregue del idioma valencia.
    Per a encarregarse del Idioma Valencia lo millor es crear l'ALV (Academia de la Llengua Valenciana)
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    Si el PP no esta por la labor de cargarse la AVLC poco se puede hacer. Y más ahora con la oficialidad que se le ha dado desde el Estatuto. Lo unico es tirarlos a todos y coger academicos VALENCIANOS, no traidores catalanistas.

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    ESO SERIA UNA BUENA SOLUCION, CAMBIAR A LOS MIEMBROS DE LA AVL Y PONER GENTE VALIDA QUE REALMENTE AMASE Y RESPETASE LA LENGUA VALENCIANA Y NO LOS TRAIDORES HP QUE HAY AHORA
    ¡ BOICOT A LOS PUTOS PRODUCTOS CAGA-LANES...... A TODOS Y POR SIEMPRE !


    Uiquipèdia en valencià: https://www.lenciclopedia.org/Especial:CanvisRecents

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    Yo voto porque utilicen a los de la RACV

    Hasta tienen el departamento de Lenguas

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    No. En la RACV ultimament n'hi han molts vividors del PP, lo millors seria crear l'Academia de la Llengua Valenciana. Mira el articul de Ferrer que acabe de posar.
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    Vividors?????

    Vaig a vore que posa.....

    Edite: No sé que vols dir en lo de vividors, perquè la RACV és una institució fora de qualsevol partit, y dubte que "vivisquen" dels del PP

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    Home tu que creus?? algu que cobra 11 mill al any per destruir un idioma i en el unic objectiu de algun dia ser del IEC...

    Els de l'AVL lo que fan ho tindrien que fer gratis, i damunt lis paguem per algo que tots mosatros estem en contra (crear ixa unitat de la llengua)
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    T'equivoques, els de la RACV no tenen res a vore en els de l'AVL.

    No sé quant cobrarÃ*n, pero no cobren ni la mitat de lo que cobren els que hara es fan cÃ*rrec de la normativa de forma oficial

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    Primer: Yo en ixe mensage parlaba de l'avl, no de la racv.
    Segon: Algun que atre de la RACV te que vore en l'avl, mes d'un parell han acabat en l'academia de Zaplana.
    Tercer: Este mensage era la contestacio a lo que habies dit en atre tema aon es parlaba de lo mateix, lo que pasa que se m'oblida posar-ho (culpa meua aço).
    Quart: La RACV si es partidista, esta clar que per ara en la defensa de lo valencia son els millors, pero en el futur lo millor seria crear una Academia de la Llengua Valenciana. (Vore articul de Ferrer)
    Quint: La RACV esta dividida en varios sectors, ya no sols per ideologia politica (pro-PP, pro-UV i pro-CV) tambe esta dividida entre els pro-accents i els pro-normativa original (sense accents). (Aço contestacio a lo que dies de que la RACV no te res que vore en els partits politics)
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    Te conteste des de la dialogació i per un més que posible malentés

    Primer:Sé que parlaves de l'AVLc, pero yo te vaig recomanar (meua opinió) que foren els de la RACV els encarregats per lo menos ara. Si vols, que la part de llengües s'escinda de la resta en bona part y que formen la ALV
    Segon:Lo que dius en part és cert, en part. Conec gent de la RACV y m'han dit que els catalanistes que n'hi havia (per la raó que siga), van ser expulsats. I curiosament alguns van acavar com dius en l'AVLc (de alguna cosa tenen que viure )
    Tercer:No tens que disculpar-te de res, yo he fet lo mateix que tu, y a més és un foro obert, per tant els temes poden ser pareguts o afectar uns a atres
    Quart:Com tu dius, ara per a defensar acadèmicament lo valenciÃ* son els millors; pot ser que lo dit abans, siga una bona solució (separació del departament de lletres parcialment). I que es forme en més apoyos .
    Quint:Les divisions politiques son inevitables. Atra cosa molt distinta seria que afectara al seu treball d'una o d'atra manera.

    Un exemple molt clar es el de Don Juan Lladró: CV necessita diners com qualsevol atre partit, en aquell moment necesitava apoyos econòmics forts com aval del seu partit. D'una forma indirecta o directa, li van preguntar si com DecÃ* de la RACV donaria diners a Sentandreu. Ell va respondre que no, i es va fer un alboroto molt gran en el que Sentandreu es va sentir humillat.
    Va eixir en la prensa, però n'hi havia una cosa que no es va dir: Don Juan va dir que no podia donar-li diners des de la posició de DecÃ* de la RACV, però no des de la una posicio particular (qui sap el final....perquè yo no ).

    Per a que veges (i vegeu) que se poden diferenciar unes coses de atres.
    Lo que pensa cada ú, es algo propi del ser humÃ*; pero n'hi ha que saber diferenciar les coses.

    Lo mateix pasa en els accents,la convicció de cada ú és propia y se pot defendre de distintes maneres.

    Espere haber aclarat les coses per a continuar en el magnific ambient del foro.

    Sent la parrafada

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    ¿ A QUÉ JUA (O FAN JUAR A) LA R.A.C.V. ?

    AUTOR: JAUME DE LA SERRA


    http://perso.wanadoo.es/idiomavalenc...l/racvjuar.htm

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    No estÃ* mal l'article y pot tindre raó. Però no comenta si ixos "fills" se'n van anar de la RACV perque els expulsaren o perque volien fer presió inutil dins de l'AVLc, cobrant d'ella.

    Ixe és el punt, i també si estÃ* demostrat que cobren d'un lloc o d'atre.

    EstÃ* bé perqué és lo que es veu de fora endinsantse en ALGUNS (QUE NO TOTS) aspectes.

    PD: Puc constar que yo estic més en favor de la RACV perque conec gent d'alli y son per lo menos l'única institució que defén el valencianisme a ultrança

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