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Tema: Estatut e idioma valenciano

  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar
    Fecha de ingreso
    07 abr, 06
    Ubicación
    L´Eliana
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    Estatut e idioma valenciano

    Como cuando se aprobó el estatut valenciano no estaba por estos foros, no tuve la posibilidad de saber que pensais de los cambios. ¿Este estatut no es mejor que el anterior?. Habla de Idioma valenciano, nacionalidad histórica (que no nación, es muuuy diferente), capacidad de disolución de las Cortes, vuelven parcialmente los fueros, etc... eso si, la AVL toma rango estatutario.

    Aunque quizás me da la sensación de que podrÃ*a haber sido un poco mejor.

    ¿Qué opinais?.

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    que lo de idioma ya estaba reconocido en l articulo 7.1 (curioso q coincide cn l 71 dl GAV ), y la avl nos la han colado

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    Yo crec que este estatut es una vergonya, per a fer lo que han fet deurien haber dixat el que teniem.
    Esta be lo del Nacionalitat historica perque ho som, tambe esta be lo dels furs, pero crec que aço ho faria millor CV (lo de la recuperacio total dels furs perduts).
    Per atra part, lo de Idioma ValenciÃ* es una pantomima dels peperos per a guanyar novament els vots dels valencianistes, si realment defengueren el Idioma ValenciÃ* l'AVL no estaria dins del estatut.
    <div style=\'text-align:center\'>...En l\'orgull de sentir-se valencià està la clau de ser-ho...</div>

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    Si escuchas a la gorda de la Gloria Marcos dice que es un Estatuto de mierda en pocas palabras, pero claro ella sueña con que el Estatuto reconozca la lengua catalana en el "pais valencia" y ademas los paises cacalanes. Vamos una majadera. AsÃ* pues yo creo que esta bien, ya que los valencianos no tenemos el sentimiento nacionalista que tienen comunidades como Pais Vasco o Cataluña. También te digo que no debemos ser menos que las demas...y a mi lo de "nación" me suena antiespañolista, por lo tanto me quedo muy a gusto con Comunidad, eso si...si van a repartir pelas a las demas comunidades, a la valenciana, que tb le salpique
    Y UN DIA EL PUEBLO SE LEVANTARA Y DIRA BASTA!!! NO AL IMPERIALISMO CATALAN!!

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    Coño, es verdad, olvidaba lo de la ACVL catalana...es como meter un caballo de Troya en las señas de identidad valencianas. Jesvalen tienes razón...ES UNA VERGUENZA!!! CATALANISTES FORA DEL ESTATUT VALENCIA!!
    Y UN DIA EL PUEBLO SE LEVANTARA Y DIRA BASTA!!! NO AL IMPERIALISMO CATALAN!!

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    Yo pienso que el estatut sigue siendo malo, y muuuuy mejorable, pero tengo la percepción de que aunque poco, algo hemos mejorado.

    Eso sÃ*, la lucha debe continuar para que el próximo estatut sea negociado con Coalicio Valenciana y asÃ* seguro que tendremos un estatut digno para los valencianos.

    De todas formas, supongo que ahora con el tiempo veremos si "nos la han metido doblada" o si realmente hemos dado un pequeño paso para ganar la última de las batallas, el reconocimiento ofical de la lengua valenciana como idioma propio y diferenciado de los valencianos.


    VIXCA VALENCIA
    VIXCA LA LLENGUA VALENCIANA

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    No te creas, el estatuto dice que el valenciano es un idioma, pero también reconoce a la AVL como institución estatutaria, Eso significa que uniendo el dictamen de Febrero del 2005 con el Estatuto nos sale que el valenciano es un idioma también llamado catalán. Osease, que en el Estatuto para de verdad haber mejorado en ese aspecto falta poner que es un idioma "diferenciado del catalásn".
    Lo que tenemos es muy ambigüo, el PP no se ha querido mojar contra su propia AVL.

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    si

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    No te creas, el estatuto dice que el valenciano es un idioma, pero también reconoce a la AVL como institución estatutaria, Eso significa que uniendo el dictamen de Febrero del 2005 con el Estatuto nos sale que el valenciano es un idioma también llamado catalán. Osease, que en el Estatuto para de verdad haber mejorado en ese aspecto falta poner que es un idioma "diferenciado del catalásn".
    Lo que tenemos es muy ambigüo, el PP no se ha querido mojar contra su propia AVL.
    Tenemos que seguir luchando. Una de las cosas que más moral me da es ver la juventud sigue rebelándose contra el catalanismo a pesar de la catalanización que sufrimos.

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    ES UNA MERDA!!!!

    Blindar l'AVLc es ensombrir el futur de la nostra llengua!.....NO A L'ESTATUT! NO A L'AVLc........

    Y l'anterior estatut ya estava bé, per a que canviar?????

    Potser no tan bé com vullguen alguns, pero millor que esta pantomima que els peperos han volgut endinsarnos!

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    Oye, que quede claro que yo no defiendo el estatut.... sólo quiero ver que pensais y debatir un poco en torno a él, pues no hay que olvidar que va regir nuestras vidas, e introduce cambios muy grandes como la libre disposición de la herencia o el matrimonio con separación de bienes como forma general... la disolución de las Cortes, aumenta el número de Parlamentarios, introduce como nombre oficial "Comunitat Valenciana", son muchos temas que por la celeridad del PP por aprobar el estatut no ha podido ser debatido como debÃ*a.

    Yo también hubiese querido otro estatut

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    Pero para mÃ* no hay prisa, hay cambios buenos, pero no todos. Y si hay tiempo para hacerse mejor, esperaremos

    PD: Ademés tindria que ser Regne de Valéncia! A mÃ* m'agrada més que lo que n'hi ha ara.
    Això sÃ*, millor Comunitat que lo de PaÃ*s

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    El "nuevo estatuto" es un escarnio y una tomadura de pelo a los valencianos perpetrada por la podrida clase polÃ*tica valenciana, que se rÃ*e de lo tonto que es el pueblo y de lo fácil que es engañarle con una polÃ*tica de hechos consumados y ruedas de molino.
    Los polÃ*ticos valencianos son, en su mayorÃ*a, unos sinvergüenzas, y deberÃ*an dimitir todos para regenerar una clase polÃ*tica miserable y degenerada que utiliza el poder en provecho propio y se mofa en privado de los ciudadanos que le han votado.
    La polÃ*tica valenciana es una polÃ*tica golfa y bananera, como camps, como pla y como todos los demás.
    Yo li pregue al Nostre Senyor que mos salve de tota esta gentòla y mos done bons polÃ*tichs; persones series que vullguen a Valencia y als valencians.

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    jeje

    Cita Iniciado por casupet
    El "nuevo estatuto" es un escarnio y una tomadura de pelo a los valencianos perpetrada por la podrida clase polÃ*tica valenciana, que se rÃ*e de lo tonto que es el pueblo y de lo fácil que es engañarle con una polÃ*tica de hechos consumados y ruedas de molino.
    Los polÃ*ticos valencianos son, en su mayorÃ*a, unos sinvergüenzas, y deberÃ*an dimitir todos para regenerar una clase polÃ*tica miserable y degenerada que utiliza el poder en provecho propio y se mofa en privado de los ciudadanos que le han votado.
    La polÃ*tica valenciana es una polÃ*tica golfa y bananera, como camps, como pla y como todos los demás.
    Yo li pregue al Nostre Senyor que mos salve de tota esta gentòla y mos done bons polÃ*tichs; persones series que vullguen a Valencia y als valencians.
    Per aixo mos donÃ* a Broseta, Lizondo, Consuelo Reina, y ara Juan GarcÃ*a Sentandreu.

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    No pots olvidarte de Mª Dolores GarcÃ*a Broch.
    Sentandreu es el nostre "MesÃ*as".

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    sip

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    No pots olvidarte de Mª Dolores GarcÃ*a Broch.
    Sentandreu es el nostre "MesÃ*as".
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