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EL CONFLICTO ENTRE LAS DIÓCESIS DE BARBASTRO Y LÉRIDA

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Tema: EL CONFLICTO ENTRE LAS DIÓCESIS DE BARBASTRO Y LÉRIDA

  1. #1
    Centenar de la Ploma
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    EL CONFLICTO ENTRE LAS DIÓCESIS DE BARBASTRO Y LÉRIDA

    EL CONFLICTO ENTRE LAS DIÓCESIS DE BARBASTRO Y LÉRIDA

    C.I.B. (19/04/06)

    Es algo escandaloso para los cristianos de a pié, la resistencia de la diócesis de Lérida en devolver a la de Barbastro-Monzón las obras de arte que tiene en su museo. No entendemos que hombres de iglesia se olviden, o desprecien, el aforismo que figuraba en los manuales elementales de moral al referirse al séptimo mandamiento: “la cosa clama a su dueño”.

    Hoy dice la prensa que la Generalitat acepta la devolución con determinadas condiciones. ¡Ya estamos! ¡Ya han metido los pol*ticos la cuchara, o la pezuña, en un asunto que no es de su incumbencia! ¿Quién les ha dado vela en este entierro?

    Los bienes son de la Iglesia. Antes que piezas con valor art*stico fueron objetos de culto, creados para fomentar la piedad de los fieles. Ni la Generalidad ni el Gobierno de Aragón tienen nada que decir en el asunto. A no ser que las partes eclesiásticas en litigio les hayan pedido ayuda. Y ah* esté el error. En recurrir a poderes laicos (con mucha probabilidad anticlericales) para resolver un pleito entre fieles. Es algo que San Pablo reprueba en una de sus ep*stolas.

    Indudablemente que el conflicto se ha enconado por la negativa de la diócesis de Lérida a devolver lo que no era suyo, despreciando el dictamen de Roma que declaraba a la diócesis aragonesa leg*tima dueña de las piezas. En la desobediencia a Roma se aprecian siempre atisbos de cisma. Y en el recurrir al apoyo de la Generalidad, de nacionalismo catalán. ¿Sueñan en Lérida con una iglesia catalana, no romana?

    Ah* queda eso, más que como pregunta, como una advertencia al obispado de Lérida de las consecuencias que puede tener el pedir apoyo a un poder temporal nacionalista.

    La doctrina social de la Iglesia es contraria a la intromisión del Estado (y la Generalidad forma parte del Estado) en la vida de la Sociedad. Entendiendo por intromisión la innecesaria intervención. Quien haya pedido el apoyo a la Generalitat ha dado un paso más hacia la anulación de la vida de la sociedad (en este caso de la Iglesia) a favor del insaciable Estado. “Menos Estado y más Sociedad”, decimos los carlistas. “Menos Sociedad y más Estado”, es lo que con sus hechos parecen decir desde el obispado de Lérida.

  2. #2
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    As xocal*as, ta casa Ya!, u escornizo beln. (Los bienes religiosos, a casa Ya!, o descalabro a alguno).

  3. #3
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Me ha gustado mucho tu art*culo, Aparisi. Enhorabuena. Estos catalanes siempre fueron piratas. Mala solución veo yo al asunto.

    Rudyweiss: ¿en qué lengua escribes? ¿es fabla aragonesa?

  4. #4
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Aclarizión - Aclaración - Aclaració.

    Cita Iniciado por casupet
    Rudyweiss: en qu lengua escribes? es fabla aragonesa?
    Equelicu: has enzertau de raso, enc que ye ms correuto dizir-li-ne aragons (u aragons muderno, ta esferenziarlo de l'oriental, iste cuasi sin d'esboluzionar dende l'ed meya); en amos causos, en grieu periglo d'acotoladura, e con parellns poblemos como los que se troba ra luenga de busatros.

    Efectivamente: Has acertado de lleno, aunque es ms correcto llamarle aragons (o aragons moderno, para diferenciarlo del oriental, este casi sin evolucionar desde la edad media); en ambos casos, en grave peligro de extincin, y con similares problemas como los que se encuentra vuestra lengua.

    POLACOS E MADRILS, A MESMA FOZINADA (CATALANES Y MADRILEOS, LA MISMA PORQUERA).

    ENTABN ARAGN - AMUNT VALENCIA.

  5. #5
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Me s'ixuplidaba: Archibo d'a Crona, t'o Monesterio San Chuan d'a Pea! Ya!

  6. #6
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    I per que penses aixo de que els madrilenys i catalans son una porqueria?No estic d'acord en aço. Un poquet de respecte per a tots. Els de Madrid estem en vosatres, en els valencians(i en este foro n'hi han molts de Madrid tambe...), i sobretot estem en contra de les ilusions expansionistes dels catalanistes.Yo en el meu cas, defenc la llengua valenciana i el seu us, i sobretot vullc a Valencia moltissim, encara que siga de Madrid. No se pot fer afirmacions generals, perque no sempre es aixina, no sigues ofensiu per favor...

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    I per que penses aixo de que els madrilenys i catalans son una porqueria?No estic d'acord en aço. Un poquet de respecte per a tots. Els de Madrid estem en vosatres, en els valencians(i en este foro n'hi han molts de Madrid tambe...), i sobretot estem en contra de les ilusions expansionistes dels catalanistes.Yo en el meu cas, defenc la llengua valenciana i el seu us, i sobretot vullc a Valencia moltissim, encara que siga de Madrid. No se pot fer afirmacions generals, perque no sempre es aixina, no sigues ofensiu per favor...
    Em recordes molt a un atre forero, crec que se cridava David. Tambe era de Madrid y quasi sempre parlava en Valencia.

    ¿Per cert, com es que sabes parlar en Valencia?
    [B]Com no he de fer-les si escric en temps tan alluntats de quan l'arap es parlava en purea i tenint que conviure familiarment en persones que parlen roman?

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Be, en primer lloc, gracies per la apreciacio que has fet de que un madrileny sapia parlar valencia .

    La rao per la que se parlarlo es que la meua chica es de Valencia, i evidentement es valencianaparlant. Sempre he tingut molt interes per les llengues,i sempre estic fent preguntes a la meua novia de paraules en valencia jeje.

    Parlar valencia crec que es una manera de coneixer molt millor tot lo valencia, i sobretot per a donar exemple i anim a molts valencians per a que parlen tambe el valencia!

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    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    I per que penses aixo de que els madrilenys i catalans son una porqueria? No estic d'acord en ao. Un poquet de respecte per a tots. Els de Madrid estem en vosatres, en els valencians(i en este foro n'hi han molts de Madrid tambe...), i sobretot estem en contra de les ilusions expansionistes dels catalanistes. Yo en el meu cas, defenc la llengua valenciana i el seu us, i sobretot vullc a Valencia moltissim, encara que siga de Madrid. No se pot fer afirmacions generals, perque no sempre es aixina, no sigues ofensiu per favor...
    Me fa ra percutida de que, dinantis de pidir-te escusas, abr felizitarte: Ole ros tuos collons, enc qu'as tuas conoxeduras de luenga balenziana se deban estar balenziana ra tua festella! (lo poquet que puesca yo saper d'ixa luenga y deb*u t'as meas esguldrufaduras particulars). Ta redoneyarte ra mea escusa, me cuacarba saper como puesco nimbiar- un mensache biedau: Esprisar-bi tamin as meas escusas e fer-te una goyosa sospresa. Esprisions!

    Me da la impresin de que, antes de pedirte disculpas, tendr que felicitarte: Ole tus cojones, aunque tus conocimientos de lengua valenciana se deban a ser de all* tu novia! (lo poquito que pueda yo saber de esa lengua es debido a mis investigaciones particulares). Para redondearte mi disculpa, me gustar*a saber como puedo enviarte un mensaje privado: Expresar ah* tambin mis disculpas y darte un grata sorpresa. Saludos!

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Hola rudyweiss; gracies per la felicitacio, m'agrada el reconeixement que molts de vosatres esteu fent per el meu esforç de parlar en valencia, ¡gracies! Si vols escriure un mensage es facil, tens que anar en inici, al menu-usuarios-lista de usuarios, ahi tens que buscar el meu nick (al-abad), entonces ya pots escriure ho que vullgues. Salutacions

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    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Oisteis ayer la ltima? Al parecer un estudioso de arte (o como se llame) italiano, acaba de afirmar que el Cristo crucificado que hay sobre el altar del Monasterio de Montserrat, es obra de Miguel Angel Buonarotti; aunque todav*a est a la espera de intercambiar impresiones con otros expertos de arte; como lleguen a la conclusin de que tiene razn y los italianos decidan reclamarlo ... Que se preparen la Generalitat Boys, que los italianos no son aragoneses y con la Mafia no se juega!

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    Cavaller Centenar Avatar de JOSE2
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    11 ene, 06
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    ¡ CON LA IGLESIA HEMOS TOPADO !

    Ya lo dice el refran........
    BOICOT A LOS PUTOS PRODUCTOS CAGA-LANES...... A TODOS Y POR SIEMPRE !


    Uiquipdia en valenci: https://www.lenciclopedia.org/Especial:CanvisRecents

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