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¿Es romana o iberica la ciudad de Valencia?

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Tema: ¿Es romana o iberica la ciudad de Valencia?

  1. #1
    Tinent de lo Regne Avatar de Lancastrian
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    ¿Es romana o iberica la ciudad de Valencia?


  2. #2
    Mestre de lo Regne
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    Interesante articulo Lancastrian

  3. #3
    Cavaller Centenar
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    me pareix queda clar no?
    rotemburg-nurnberg REGNE VALENCIA MAI CATALA

    penyiscola

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  4. #4
    Mestre de lo Regne Avatar de Edetanorum
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    Valencia, la joya de España
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    nose, no aporta molta llum per q com ya diuen ells encara no se sap tot, i una teoría no se pot montar sense coneixer tots els punts

    perfectament els articuls iberics (o grecs) podien ser importats, o o remeses de conquistes almacenaes o copies romanes de articuls iberics (com el gladius i lo seu antepasat iberic la falcata... per eixemple)...

    i tyris un atra "atlantida"..., avore es molt bonico sonyar pero encara no se sap q va pasar



  5. #5
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    La ciutat de "Valéncia" tal com la coneixem hui en dia és Romana, ya que els romans fundaren "Valentia" , tots sabem que abans havien íbers en Iberia. És com quan els panques diuen que Catalunya existia des de Jaume I, quan és mentira, existia el territori físic, pero la regió encara no estava creada.

  6. #6
    Palleter de lo Regne Avatar de Rudyweiss
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    Cita Iniciado por vixcayo
    La ciutat de "Valéncia" tal com la coneixem hui en dia és Romana, ya que els romans fundaren "Valentia" , tots sabem que abans havien íbers en Iberia. És com quan els panques diuen que Catalunya existia des de Jaume I, quan és mentira, existia el territori físic, pero la regió encara no estava creada.
    Quería hacer unas puntualizaciones al respecto:

    a) En la época de Jaime I (Jacme I como lo conocíamos en Aragón - pronunciado Chacme), tampoco existía el territorio físico que actualmente se conoce como Cataluña, ya que, al parecer, Lérida, al menos al Oeste del Segre, y buena parte de la provincia de Tarragona perteneció casi en todo momento al Reino de Aragón y no a la unión de condaditos de la época.
    Y además, las fronteras variaban cada dos por tres, pues a veces, en el medievo, llegó a pertenecer al Reino aragonés la totalidad de la provincia de Lérida, y por contra, durante un par de décadas o tres, Lérida pasó a formar parte de los condados, incluyendo la localidad oscense de Fraga, dando esto último pié a los pancas para "inventarse" una mal llamada e insultante "Franja" ("de Ponent").
    Y digo: si con filólogos y lingüistas politizados actualmente y con subvenciones multimillonarias, con sus "kale borrokas" de masía, sus M.D.T.y "Terra Lliure", sus limpiezas étnicas que ellos llaman "Inmersión Lingüística", etc., etc., etc., no han sido capaces de conseguir que media Cataluña olvide para siempre el idioma de Cervantes (aunque cada vez lo hablen peor) para hablar la nueva "Lengua Imperial del Futuro (catalán)" en estos más de 30 años que llevamos de Autonomías, ...
    ¿Como pueden atreverse a decir que durante un tiempo quizá menor, supuestos repobladores catalanes, que eran mercenarios y campesinos analfabetos, pudieron llevar a Fraga una lengua que entonces no existía, ni estaba estructurada, y que perteneciera a una tierra que entonces tampoco existía?
    Si ni siquiera fueron capaces de cambiar el nombre de dicho pueblo, que al margen de "cuentos árabes", es muy aragonés, basado en uno de los detalles de su Escudo, donde aparece una mata de "fraguera", por el de "Maduixa".
    Y eso, que acabo de hablar con detalle de la situación histórica más excepcional de la Corona aragonesa, ya que, como antes he dicho, durante casi toda la época histórica, al Oeste del Segre y buena parte del Sur de la provincia tarraconense, era Reino de Aragón, y no condados de la Marca. Siempre se ha dicho que Tortosa era el puerto natural del Reino de Aragón.

    b) Esto no lo tengo demasiado claro, pero la isla irlandesa de Valencia (Valentia en su lengua local), ubicada hacia el Noroeste de Irlanda, ... ¿fue alguna conquistada por los romanos o es que esa misma palabra existía ya en las lenguas celtas? Algunos lingüistas y filólogos unen como grupo lingüístico el Latín con las antiguas lenguas celtas.

  7. #7
    Senescal de lo Regne
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    A eso me refería Rudyweiss, a que lo que hoy se conoce como Cataluña, no lo era entonces, ya que Lérida y Tarragona pertenecían a Aragón.

  8. #8
    Creuat de lo Regne
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    Encara queda molt per aclarar, aixó està clar.

    A vore si n'hi ha sort i en estes excavacions poden aclarar algunes cosetes més.

    Estarem atents, açó es cultura.
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  9. #9
    Cavaller Centenar Avatar de Falcata
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    12 ago, 07
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    SIC LVCEANT OPERA TVA
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    1,745
    yo tinc entes que el nom de valentia ve per un heroi luso, pero nose si es cert
    <center> “… per ço que la nacio d’on yo so natural sen puxa alegrar e molt ajudar…” </center>

  10. #10
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    Yo tinc un mapeta que em varen donar en el G.A.V, un dia de conferençia on apareix tot el mon conegut en quella época es de 1235 y está barcelona que perteneixia a França y Tarragona a Aragó. Valencia també está pero figura en els Almohades.
    Va ser en l´any 1258 cuant el rei de França modificá les fronteres per mig del tratat de Corbeill y Barcelona ( que nó Catalunya , que no existía) pasá a perteneixer al rei Jaume I ,com un Comdat. O siga que mai, mai Valencia a estat junt en Barcelona ,ni perteneixent a Aragó , eren regnes y comdat del mateix rei...com Carles i de Espanya y V d´Alemania : Demaneu eixe mapa , es molt aclarador.
    FECHES 1235 barcelona es francesa
    1238 conquista de Valencia
    1258 tratat de Corbeill ( barcelona ya es d¨Espanya)

    Per aixó no volen saber res d´Historia

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