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S'escriu B ¿mai en posició final de paraula?

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  1. #1
    Aspirant a Centenar
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    S'escriu B ¿mai en posició final de paraula?

    Hi ha una regla de les normes d'El Puig que mai m'ha acabat de convéncer, especialment quan veig escrites paraules com "verp" o "corp" ("cuervo"). Y volia comentarla a vore si me la justifiqueu. Es la següent:


    S'escriu B

    4. Mai en posició final de paraula, encara que en derivar (en el plural se conserva) se transforme en B:

    - àrap, no arab, pero arabisar
    - verp, no verb, pero verbal
    - mossàrap, no mossarab, pero mossarabisme



    Tal volta "arap" no me sona tan mal ¿pero "verp" y "corp"? ¿vosatros feu eixa "p" final al parlar? ¿clarament feu "p" y no "b"?

    Buscant en documents antics només trobe escrites les formes "verb" y "corb".

    En el cas de "corp" apareix només en el significat de "cos".

    "Arap" si que apareix alguna vegà en el Tirant.

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    Aspirant a Centenar
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    He recopilat atres paraules que estarien en la mateixa situació:

    adop ("adobo")
    àrap
    barp ("barbo")
    calp ("calvo")
    corp ("cuervo")
    monosílap
    polisílap
    ruibarp ("ruibarbo")
    soberp
    verp
    xenòfop

    No totes me resulten estranyes del tot, pero unes quantes sí.

    Pero he de dir que si la norma fora acabarles en "b" no tindria problema en cap d'elles.

    ¿Alguna vegà li haveu dit a d'algú "estàs calp"? Yo diria "calb" clarament, a mi això me sona a "estás Calpe".

    Pero be, pot ser que la fonètica que yo he mamat no siga lo general, a vore qué comenteu...
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    Lo de calp es atra "joya" racaviana. De normal diguem "pelat"
    Y calbo en "b" esta amplament registar en escrits valencians desde fa 400 anys
    Es mes es un llinage o apellido que es mes frecuent en el REyne que en ninngun atre punt d'Espanya.

    EDITE: si una paraula patrimonial valenciana acaba en "o atona" patirá persecucio tant del catalanisme com dels tecnocrates de la RACV.
    De ningun modO hu anem a tolerar, per ad aixo estem bregant en este forO.
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    La fonetica valenciana es clara. acabaes en p. PEro la cultura y el coneiximent en uns casos del etims y en atres la influencia castellana mos fan clavar la pata o voreles en certa extranyea per hipercorrecio. Es lo mateix que fa pensar a Buitre que la perdua general en valencia de la d intervocalica te relacio en casos de mal us del castellá com "cansao" o "llegao"
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    La fonetica valenciana es clara. acabaes en p. PEro la cultura y el coneiximent en uns casos del etims y en atres la influencia castellana mos fan clavar la pata o voreles en certa extranyea per hipercorrecio. Es lo mateix que fa pensar a Buitre que la perdua general en valencia de la d intervocalica te relacio en casos de mal us del castellá com "cansao" o "llegao"
    Gràcies, acabe d'enrecordarme que el diccionari de la AVL té la fonètica, y ells també donen eixes terminacions com a sò "p". Me faig a la idea pues.

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    Sense entrar en termens tecnics llingüistics vullguera tocar l'assunt en cuestio.

    En llengua valenciana existixen parelles de fonemes sonors/sorts que depenent de la possicio que tinguen en la paraula, els parlants DE FORMA AUTOMATICA Y NATURAL en gasten uns o uns atres.

    (sonor/sort)
    - s/ss
    - b/p
    - d/t
    - g/d

    A FINAL DE PARAULA es molt dificil y complicat pronunciar de FORMA NATURAL un fonema sonor. En llengua valenciana lo general es fer SORT el fonema si va al final, encara que enmig de paraula siga sonor.

    - cas, pero casualment (si la "s" va a final de paraula sempre es sorda encara que no se represente per "ss")
    - cap, pero cabut
    - pert, pero pèrdua
    - sanc, pero sangrar

    Precisament els catalanistes se boten esta realitat llingüistica valenciana y, al seu cacherulo, fan normatives paraules que fan acabar anti-natura en fonemes sonors, per eixemple: sang...¿algu pot pronunciar en normalitat eixa "g" final?)
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